MP Simon Hughes backs call to reopen Lendal Bridge

York Press: Lendal Bridge Lendal Bridge

A GOVERNMENT minister has backed calls for a city-centre bridge to be reopened after a controversial traffic trial ended.

City of York Council’s six-month experiment which has banned private traffic from Lendal Bridge for six-and-a-half hours a day was completed on February 27, but the restrictions will remain while the authority decides whether they should be continued, extended or abandoned.

York’s Liberal Democrat group will formally call for the bridge to be reopened at a council meeting this month, and Justice Minister and Lib Dem MP Simon Hughes – who met local party members during last weekend’s Lib Dem spring conference in York – said the authority should now listen to concerns raised by residents and businesses over the closure.

He said: “I have heard about the problems it has caused and I fully support the local Liberal Democrat call to reopen the bridge.”

Coun Keith Aspden, the group’s leader, said: “It is time for Labour to stop dithering. They said it would be a six-month trial and they should stick to that.”

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10:55am Tue 11 Mar 14

rodney'sdog says...

There are so many people demanding this-have the Council left the country? Maybe they are holidaying on the fine revenue (totally illegal income as it broke the bridges status as free access to get it) brought in by cars using something doing what it was built for.
There are so many people demanding this-have the Council left the country? Maybe they are holidaying on the fine revenue (totally illegal income as it broke the bridges status as free access to get it) brought in by cars using something doing what it was built for. rodney'sdog
  • Score: -43

11:29am Tue 11 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

What has this got to do with Simon Hughes? The Justice Ministry has plenty to do without getting himself involved in this, or perhaps I am wrong and they are spending their time finding things for him to do. I understand that this is a major local issue but this chap is the MP for Bermondsey, not York. He should start looking after the two jobs he already has, and leave this to the York MPs, the councillors and the local people.

Maybe he's forgotten all about the 'localism' agenda.
What has this got to do with Simon Hughes? The Justice Ministry has plenty to do without getting himself involved in this, or perhaps I am wrong and they are spending their time finding things for him to do. I understand that this is a major local issue but this chap is the MP for Bermondsey, not York. He should start looking after the two jobs he already has, and leave this to the York MPs, the councillors and the local people. Maybe he's forgotten all about the 'localism' agenda. MouseHouse
  • Score: 43

11:46am Tue 11 Mar 14

inthesticks says...

The Traffic Order published under Ref CF6324 on the York Council website, states that they have requested closure of the bridge for a period of 18 months, until February 2015.
Quote:
*Notice is hereby given that on the 7th day of August 2013 City of York Council (“the Council”) in exercise of powers under Sections 9, 10 and Schedule 9 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act, 1984 (“the Act”) and of all other enabling powers and after consultation with the Chief Officer of Police in accordance with Schedule 9 of the Act, made The York (Station Avenue/Lendal Bridge/Museum Street) (Local Bus Priority) (Experimental) Traffic Order 2013 (“the Order”) which comes into effect on the 27th day of August 2013 for an experimental period of 18 months ending on 26 February 2015 *
The Traffic Order published under Ref CF6324 on the York Council website, states that they have requested closure of the bridge for a period of 18 months, until February 2015. Quote: *Notice is hereby given that on the 7th day of August 2013 City of York Council (“the Council”) in exercise of powers under Sections 9, 10 and Schedule 9 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act, 1984 (“the Act”) and of all other enabling powers and after consultation with the Chief Officer of Police in accordance with Schedule 9 of the Act, made The York (Station Avenue/Lendal Bridge/Museum Street) (Local Bus Priority) (Experimental) Traffic Order 2013 (“the Order”) which comes into effect on the 27th day of August 2013 for an experimental period of 18 months ending on 26 February 2015 * inthesticks
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11:52am Tue 11 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

The choice to me made;

a) Open it and admit the bridge was a disaster from start to finish therefore loosing any remaining credibility from the scheme and owning up to wasting money to set it up and robbing people out of monies from poor signage etc.

b) keep it closed and maintain it was an excellent idea and that 600-700k was justified in setting up because certain bus times have improved.

Let’s face it, its staying closed. They can not afford to admit it was a stupid idea, with stupid designs, implemented poorly, going over budget by 550k with no actually targets to measure success and then to have leaked emails stating air quality will not improve. This is where the consultants make their money by manipulating measures of success to justify an error in a party’s decision. I’m guessing bus times were reduced massively with no noticeable changes to traffic elsewhere with a tourist survey saying their stay in York was improved by the closure. We all know its not the case but what can you do ey….
The choice to me made; a) Open it and admit the bridge was a disaster from start to finish therefore loosing any remaining credibility from the scheme and owning up to wasting money to set it up and robbing people out of monies from poor signage etc. b) keep it closed and maintain it was an excellent idea and that 600-700k was justified in setting up because certain bus times have improved. Let’s face it, its staying closed. They can not afford to admit it was a stupid idea, with stupid designs, implemented poorly, going over budget by 550k with no actually targets to measure success and then to have leaked emails stating air quality will not improve. This is where the consultants make their money by manipulating measures of success to justify an error in a party’s decision. I’m guessing bus times were reduced massively with no noticeable changes to traffic elsewhere with a tourist survey saying their stay in York was improved by the closure. We all know its not the case but what can you do ey…. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -46

11:54am Tue 11 Mar 14

nowthen says...

MouseHouse wrote:
What has this got to do with Simon Hughes? The Justice Ministry has plenty to do without getting himself involved in this, or perhaps I am wrong and they are spending their time finding things for him to do. I understand that this is a major local issue but this chap is the MP for Bermondsey, not York. He should start looking after the two jobs he already has, and leave this to the York MPs, the councillors and the local people.

Maybe he's forgotten all about the 'localism' agenda.
Unfortunately there is no localism agenda in York. The Labour led Council have disengaged the electorate and are abusing the representative democratic principle by pursuing their own dogma driven agendas. Cllr Merrett is going to siphon more than £250,000 from the revenue budget for his own personal vanity projects whilst front line services continue to be cut and the Cabinet bleat about Government cuts. The sheer arrogance of this lot is beyond belief.
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: What has this got to do with Simon Hughes? The Justice Ministry has plenty to do without getting himself involved in this, or perhaps I am wrong and they are spending their time finding things for him to do. I understand that this is a major local issue but this chap is the MP for Bermondsey, not York. He should start looking after the two jobs he already has, and leave this to the York MPs, the councillors and the local people. Maybe he's forgotten all about the 'localism' agenda.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there is no localism agenda in York. The Labour led Council have disengaged the electorate and are abusing the representative democratic principle by pursuing their own dogma driven agendas. Cllr Merrett is going to siphon more than £250,000 from the revenue budget for his own personal vanity projects whilst front line services continue to be cut and the Cabinet bleat about Government cuts. The sheer arrogance of this lot is beyond belief. nowthen
  • Score: -37

12:03pm Tue 11 Mar 14

York1900 says...

Why not reopen Lendal Bridge and instead go down the road of congestion charging on all City centre roads this would be as effective in reducing traffic in York City Centre
Why not reopen Lendal Bridge and instead go down the road of congestion charging on all City centre roads this would be as effective in reducing traffic in York City Centre York1900
  • Score: 52

1:06pm Tue 11 Mar 14

hokey cokey says...

As Simon Hughes is a London MP is he also calling for the removal of the congestion charging zone?
As Simon Hughes is a London MP is he also calling for the removal of the congestion charging zone? hokey cokey
  • Score: 15

1:10pm Tue 11 Mar 14

MorkofYork says...

Why don't we stop harassing motorists. Optimize the road systems and accept that there's always going to be a lot of traffic when people are going to and from work.
Why don't we stop harassing motorists. Optimize the road systems and accept that there's always going to be a lot of traffic when people are going to and from work. MorkofYork
  • Score: -46

1:17pm Tue 11 Mar 14

WhyEver says...

It looks like the only way the Council is going to re-open Lendal Bridge is when they are forced to from above. When they wanted to sell off Union Terrace they ignored local opinion and 22,000 signatures on the petition - it was the University who pulled out.

Canterbury City Council tried the same thing when they closed the Westgate Towers road, for the same reasons as Lendal Bridge here. It was widely condemned but they tried to keep it closed after the trial - Kent County Council forced them to reopen it.
It looks like the only way the Council is going to re-open Lendal Bridge is when they are forced to from above. When they wanted to sell off Union Terrace they ignored local opinion and 22,000 signatures on the petition - it was the University who pulled out. Canterbury City Council tried the same thing when they closed the Westgate Towers road, for the same reasons as Lendal Bridge here. It was widely condemned but they tried to keep it closed after the trial - Kent County Council forced them to reopen it. WhyEver
  • Score: -35

1:17pm Tue 11 Mar 14

acomblass says...

nowthen wrote:
MouseHouse wrote: What has this got to do with Simon Hughes? The Justice Ministry has plenty to do without getting himself involved in this, or perhaps I am wrong and they are spending their time finding things for him to do. I understand that this is a major local issue but this chap is the MP for Bermondsey, not York. He should start looking after the two jobs he already has, and leave this to the York MPs, the councillors and the local people. Maybe he's forgotten all about the 'localism' agenda.
Unfortunately there is no localism agenda in York. The Labour led Council have disengaged the electorate and are abusing the representative democratic principle by pursuing their own dogma driven agendas. Cllr Merrett is going to siphon more than £250,000 from the revenue budget for his own personal vanity projects whilst front line services continue to be cut and the Cabinet bleat about Government cuts. The sheer arrogance of this lot is beyond belief.
At last some common sense.
As for the Localism Agenda, forget it. The Labour council have presided over the demolition of Ward Committees and do not now involve people in decision making. It is ironic that the Labour Cllr in charge of this portfolio has recently been awarded £10k for a project on how to involve residents in decision making. Presumably she will be dusting down the award winning scheme which she threw out and presenting it as something new!
[quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: What has this got to do with Simon Hughes? The Justice Ministry has plenty to do without getting himself involved in this, or perhaps I am wrong and they are spending their time finding things for him to do. I understand that this is a major local issue but this chap is the MP for Bermondsey, not York. He should start looking after the two jobs he already has, and leave this to the York MPs, the councillors and the local people. Maybe he's forgotten all about the 'localism' agenda.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there is no localism agenda in York. The Labour led Council have disengaged the electorate and are abusing the representative democratic principle by pursuing their own dogma driven agendas. Cllr Merrett is going to siphon more than £250,000 from the revenue budget for his own personal vanity projects whilst front line services continue to be cut and the Cabinet bleat about Government cuts. The sheer arrogance of this lot is beyond belief.[/p][/quote]At last some common sense. As for the Localism Agenda, forget it. The Labour council have presided over the demolition of Ward Committees and do not now involve people in decision making. It is ironic that the Labour Cllr in charge of this portfolio has recently been awarded £10k for a project on how to involve residents in decision making. Presumably she will be dusting down the award winning scheme which she threw out and presenting it as something new! acomblass
  • Score: -43

1:48pm Tue 11 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

Such is the stuff of democracy I suppose. I'm sure that when Labour were in opposition in York, they would have leapt at the chance to stir it if one of their national figures was in town.
But let's remember that closing one of the main river crossings to private cars was a plank of the 2011-2013 Local Transport Plan. It was signed of by Steve Galloway at the time. Ouse Bridge was specifically mentioned, but also with a commitment to reduce traffic between the Railway Station & Gillygate. Lendal Bridge rather than Ouse Bridge sensibly helps to better fulfil that commitment.
When local elections loom, it's amazing how many politicians conveniently forget the actions of their former colleagues.
I call upon politicians of all parties to publicly express their ongoing support for LTP3. It's the only way to avoid real gridlock for our successors.
Such is the stuff of democracy I suppose. I'm sure that when Labour were in opposition in York, they would have leapt at the chance to stir it if one of their national figures was in town. But let's remember that closing one of the main river crossings to private cars was a plank of the 2011-2013 Local Transport Plan. It was signed of by Steve Galloway at the time. Ouse Bridge was specifically mentioned, but also with a commitment to reduce traffic between the Railway Station & Gillygate. Lendal Bridge rather than Ouse Bridge sensibly helps to better fulfil that commitment. When local elections loom, it's amazing how many politicians conveniently forget the actions of their former colleagues. I call upon politicians of all parties to publicly express their ongoing support for LTP3. It's the only way to avoid real gridlock for our successors. pedalling paul
  • Score: 32

2:25pm Tue 11 Mar 14

big boy york says...

Alexander do'snt listen to anyone so what chance has Hughes got
Alexander do'snt listen to anyone so what chance has Hughes got big boy york
  • Score: -42

3:28pm Tue 11 Mar 14

JasBro says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
The choice to me made;

a) Open it and admit the bridge was a disaster from start to finish therefore loosing any remaining credibility from the scheme and owning up to wasting money to set it up and robbing people out of monies from poor signage etc.

b) keep it closed and maintain it was an excellent idea and that 600-700k was justified in setting up because certain bus times have improved.

Let’s face it, its staying closed. They can not afford to admit it was a stupid idea, with stupid designs, implemented poorly, going over budget by 550k with no actually targets to measure success and then to have leaked emails stating air quality will not improve. This is where the consultants make their money by manipulating measures of success to justify an error in a party’s decision. I’m guessing bus times were reduced massively with no noticeable changes to traffic elsewhere with a tourist survey saying their stay in York was improved by the closure. We all know its not the case but what can you do ey….
Or....

c) Maintain that it was a worthwhile experiment, and maintain that something has to be done to reduce traffic in the city centre, but admit that without public support and without any substantial overall benefits, the bridge must re-open.

Then carry out a city wide consultation on the way forward.

Labour made a promise to "make consultation genuine". Now would be a good time to start honouring that promise.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: The choice to me made; a) Open it and admit the bridge was a disaster from start to finish therefore loosing any remaining credibility from the scheme and owning up to wasting money to set it up and robbing people out of monies from poor signage etc. b) keep it closed and maintain it was an excellent idea and that 600-700k was justified in setting up because certain bus times have improved. Let’s face it, its staying closed. They can not afford to admit it was a stupid idea, with stupid designs, implemented poorly, going over budget by 550k with no actually targets to measure success and then to have leaked emails stating air quality will not improve. This is where the consultants make their money by manipulating measures of success to justify an error in a party’s decision. I’m guessing bus times were reduced massively with no noticeable changes to traffic elsewhere with a tourist survey saying their stay in York was improved by the closure. We all know its not the case but what can you do ey….[/p][/quote]Or.... c) Maintain that it was a worthwhile experiment, and maintain that something has to be done to reduce traffic in the city centre, but admit that without public support and without any substantial overall benefits, the bridge must re-open. Then carry out a city wide consultation on the way forward. Labour made a promise to "make consultation genuine". Now would be a good time to start honouring that promise. JasBro
  • Score: -57

3:59pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Alf Garnett says...

15000 extra bus journeys a week since Lendal Bridge closed to private traffic. Coincidence ? Possible but unlikely. As for consultation; whenever the council holds consultations hardly anybody bothers to respond. Hardly anyone bothers to vote in local elections despite the postal vote. Most of the participants on this site are the same people over again (including me). I notice that the only person who quotes the previous administration's decisions to do something about through traffic received a significant minus vote. A lot of the antipathy to this projects stems from the anti Alexander lobby. As for there being no localism agenda in York; welcome to life under the tories. Don't expect NYCC to do what Kent did in Canterbury; Canterbury isn't a unitary authority. Anyway despite all this, tales of woe and misery and congestion are massively exaggerated. The biggest congestion takes place when the bridge is actually open. Stand on Nunnery Lane at 9.30 and it's choca, at 11 it's empty.
15000 extra bus journeys a week since Lendal Bridge closed to private traffic. Coincidence ? Possible but unlikely. As for consultation; whenever the council holds consultations hardly anybody bothers to respond. Hardly anyone bothers to vote in local elections despite the postal vote. Most of the participants on this site are the same people over again (including me). I notice that the only person who quotes the previous administration's decisions to do something about through traffic received a significant minus vote. A lot of the antipathy to this projects stems from the anti Alexander lobby. As for there being no localism agenda in York; welcome to life under the tories. Don't expect NYCC to do what Kent did in Canterbury; Canterbury isn't a unitary authority. Anyway despite all this, tales of woe and misery and congestion are massively exaggerated. The biggest congestion takes place when the bridge is actually open. Stand on Nunnery Lane at 9.30 and it's choca, at 11 it's empty. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 12

4:01pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

JasBro wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: The choice to me made; a) Open it and admit the bridge was a disaster from start to finish therefore loosing any remaining credibility from the scheme and owning up to wasting money to set it up and robbing people out of monies from poor signage etc. b) keep it closed and maintain it was an excellent idea and that 600-700k was justified in setting up because certain bus times have improved. Let’s face it, its staying closed. They can not afford to admit it was a stupid idea, with stupid designs, implemented poorly, going over budget by 550k with no actually targets to measure success and then to have leaked emails stating air quality will not improve. This is where the consultants make their money by manipulating measures of success to justify an error in a party’s decision. I’m guessing bus times were reduced massively with no noticeable changes to traffic elsewhere with a tourist survey saying their stay in York was improved by the closure. We all know its not the case but what can you do ey….
Or.... c) Maintain that it was a worthwhile experiment, and maintain that something has to be done to reduce traffic in the city centre, but admit that without public support and without any substantial overall benefits, the bridge must re-open. Then carry out a city wide consultation on the way forward. Labour made a promise to "make consultation genuine". Now would be a good time to start honouring that promise.
c) is the biggest lie and least likely of all...

They have stated they don’t care for public opinion. And an experiment removing the inner ring road link was nver going to work. City centre traffic isn’t bad. The inner ring road is busy like you'd expect. After all the Leeds inner ring road is hardly empty. But city centre wise where is there?

As for labour being genuine they had their chance and covered up lie after lie.... (I don’t even support a party but even i know they are useless.)

To gain public support you have to invest in alternatives to reduce traffic. Not just take options away leading to a single route. Busses are not the way forward. Cycling might be for say 5%... get some train links sorted and reduce all the signs, traffic lights etc and put them on simple settings that allow for easy flow for cars... not bikes.. and please please labour... stop putting f'in 20mph signs up everywhere that can not be enforced and do not slow people down! This is not grand theft auto where cars are driving at 60mph around cul-de-sacs.... people do not need reminding every 10 meters that 20mph is the advice! and people do slow down to get onto their drives.... also cut down on the bus lanes... traffic would flow better if the busses didn’t cut everyone up all the time and stop and let their friends through for 2mins... or indeed if they were not 80meters long for 15people travelling on them…. RANT….
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: The choice to me made; a) Open it and admit the bridge was a disaster from start to finish therefore loosing any remaining credibility from the scheme and owning up to wasting money to set it up and robbing people out of monies from poor signage etc. b) keep it closed and maintain it was an excellent idea and that 600-700k was justified in setting up because certain bus times have improved. Let’s face it, its staying closed. They can not afford to admit it was a stupid idea, with stupid designs, implemented poorly, going over budget by 550k with no actually targets to measure success and then to have leaked emails stating air quality will not improve. This is where the consultants make their money by manipulating measures of success to justify an error in a party’s decision. I’m guessing bus times were reduced massively with no noticeable changes to traffic elsewhere with a tourist survey saying their stay in York was improved by the closure. We all know its not the case but what can you do ey….[/p][/quote]Or.... c) Maintain that it was a worthwhile experiment, and maintain that something has to be done to reduce traffic in the city centre, but admit that without public support and without any substantial overall benefits, the bridge must re-open. Then carry out a city wide consultation on the way forward. Labour made a promise to "make consultation genuine". Now would be a good time to start honouring that promise.[/p][/quote]c) is the biggest lie and least likely of all... They have stated they don’t care for public opinion. And an experiment removing the inner ring road link was nver going to work. City centre traffic isn’t bad. The inner ring road is busy like you'd expect. After all the Leeds inner ring road is hardly empty. But city centre wise where is there? As for labour being genuine they had their chance and covered up lie after lie.... (I don’t even support a party but even i know they are useless.) To gain public support you have to invest in alternatives to reduce traffic. Not just take options away leading to a single route. Busses are not the way forward. Cycling might be for say 5%... get some train links sorted and reduce all the signs, traffic lights etc and put them on simple settings that allow for easy flow for cars... not bikes.. and please please labour... stop putting f'in 20mph signs up everywhere that can not be enforced and do not slow people down! This is not grand theft auto where cars are driving at 60mph around cul-de-sacs.... people do not need reminding every 10 meters that 20mph is the advice! and people do slow down to get onto their drives.... also cut down on the bus lanes... traffic would flow better if the busses didn’t cut everyone up all the time and stop and let their friends through for 2mins... or indeed if they were not 80meters long for 15people travelling on them…. RANT…. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -10

4:05pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
15000 extra bus journeys a week since Lendal Bridge closed to private traffic. Coincidence ? Possible but unlikely. As for consultation; whenever the council holds consultations hardly anybody bothers to respond. Hardly anyone bothers to vote in local elections despite the postal vote. Most of the participants on this site are the same people over again (including me). I notice that the only person who quotes the previous administration's decisions to do something about through traffic received a significant minus vote. A lot of the antipathy to this projects stems from the anti Alexander lobby. As for there being no localism agenda in York; welcome to life under the tories. Don't expect NYCC to do what Kent did in Canterbury; Canterbury isn't a unitary authority. Anyway despite all this, tales of woe and misery and congestion are massively exaggerated. The biggest congestion takes place when the bridge is actually open. Stand on Nunnery Lane at 9.30 and it's choca, at 11 it's empty.
i'd like to have a look at that (genuinly)... as the directive has no reason to increase bus travel? it was just a bridge closed that had no parking on,near or linked to it. Why wouldn't people still use a car?
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: 15000 extra bus journeys a week since Lendal Bridge closed to private traffic. Coincidence ? Possible but unlikely. As for consultation; whenever the council holds consultations hardly anybody bothers to respond. Hardly anyone bothers to vote in local elections despite the postal vote. Most of the participants on this site are the same people over again (including me). I notice that the only person who quotes the previous administration's decisions to do something about through traffic received a significant minus vote. A lot of the antipathy to this projects stems from the anti Alexander lobby. As for there being no localism agenda in York; welcome to life under the tories. Don't expect NYCC to do what Kent did in Canterbury; Canterbury isn't a unitary authority. Anyway despite all this, tales of woe and misery and congestion are massively exaggerated. The biggest congestion takes place when the bridge is actually open. Stand on Nunnery Lane at 9.30 and it's choca, at 11 it's empty.[/p][/quote]i'd like to have a look at that (genuinly)... as the directive has no reason to increase bus travel? it was just a bridge closed that had no parking on,near or linked to it. Why wouldn't people still use a car? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -2

4:35pm Tue 11 Mar 14

josie32 says...

Considering this bridge was closed to us, so the council can sell the railway offices to the Hilton hotel, but agreed to get rid of the traffic first....another plan failed .
Considering this bridge was closed to us, so the council can sell the railway offices to the Hilton hotel, but agreed to get rid of the traffic first....another plan failed . josie32
  • Score: -15

5:05pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Caecilius says...

MouseHouse wrote:
What has this got to do with Simon Hughes? The Justice Ministry has plenty to do without getting himself involved in this, or perhaps I am wrong and they are spending their time finding things for him to do. I understand that this is a major local issue but this chap is the MP for Bermondsey, not York. He should start looking after the two jobs he already has, and leave this to the York MPs, the councillors and the local people.

Maybe he's forgotten all about the 'localism' agenda.
Interesting, as I wrote to his colleague Norman Baker - alleged to be the minister with particular responsibility for sustainable transport - about the removal of the Water End cycle lane. I had to write to him, as the e-mail address offered via the DfT website for the public to contact him on was on the internal government network and inaccessible to the population at large.... It then took two attempts to elicit a reply from one of his civil servants - who said it was a local matter, despite the fact that CoYC had used funding from Baker's department to put in the cycle lane that they were now ripping out. Looks like Hughes takes a different view, most likely due to Lib Dem politicians' pressing need to sell their principles (assuming they still had any) once again in a desperate attempt to cling on to the illusion of power, not to mention the more substantial reward of ministerial salaries and perks. Similarly, the local party seem to be ready to sell their grannies in order to get back into power.

Why would anyone vote Lib Dem now?
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: What has this got to do with Simon Hughes? The Justice Ministry has plenty to do without getting himself involved in this, or perhaps I am wrong and they are spending their time finding things for him to do. I understand that this is a major local issue but this chap is the MP for Bermondsey, not York. He should start looking after the two jobs he already has, and leave this to the York MPs, the councillors and the local people. Maybe he's forgotten all about the 'localism' agenda.[/p][/quote]Interesting, as I wrote to his colleague Norman Baker - alleged to be the minister with particular responsibility for sustainable transport - about the removal of the Water End cycle lane. I had to write to him, as the e-mail address offered via the DfT website for the public to contact him on was on the internal government network and inaccessible to the population at large.... It then took two attempts to elicit a reply from one of his civil servants - who said it was a local matter, despite the fact that CoYC had used funding from Baker's department to put in the cycle lane that they were now ripping out. Looks like Hughes takes a different view, most likely due to Lib Dem politicians' pressing need to sell their principles (assuming they still had any) once again in a desperate attempt to cling on to the illusion of power, not to mention the more substantial reward of ministerial salaries and perks. Similarly, the local party seem to be ready to sell their grannies in order to get back into power. Why would anyone vote Lib Dem now? Caecilius
  • Score: -86

6:11pm Tue 11 Mar 14

spottycow says...

WELL SAID hokey cokey KEEP IT CLOSED
WELL SAID hokey cokey KEEP IT CLOSED spottycow
  • Score: 46

9:34pm Tue 11 Mar 14

mike.......durkin says...

re open it....and coppergate
re open it....and coppergate mike.......durkin
  • Score: -81

11:04pm Tue 11 Mar 14

jay, york says...

Glad I'm not the only one to notice how quiet CoyC is so quiet about this (and to be honest most things at present) - expecially since Merretts farcical Look North interview- well done Harry Gration.

However the vote riggers still think they are having a field day here.- so immature. We all know what they are trying to do and we are not fooled!. Could it be the CoYC out of hours?? Surely not???

The Lendal Bridge fiasco is not just a local issue - it now appears to be very widespread (perhaps to do with all the visitors who were fined) - but if ANY town or city decides to close part of an inner/ outer ringroad or change part of it into a Bus lane (if not properly marked is that actually permitted?) WITHOUT making alternative arrangements IN ADVANCE then it is going to be a diaster.

Today was one of the now very rare occasions I had to go into York as I had an appointment (otherwise I now totally avoid it) - and I had to take an alternative route, which doubled my mileage, but at least I knew I would be able to get there on time. Personal circumstances make any other form of transport be difficult for me at present.

Even though I live on the totally opposite side of York from Lendal Bridge, I now find I have to avoid my normal route as it now part of the Lendal Bridge diversion route traffic!! Where else do CoYC want to push traffic to and still think the system is copint?
Glad I'm not the only one to notice how quiet CoyC is so quiet about this (and to be honest most things at present) - expecially since Merretts farcical Look North interview- well done Harry Gration. However the vote riggers still think they are having a field day here.- so immature. We all know what they are trying to do and we are not fooled!. Could it be the CoYC out of hours?? Surely not??? The Lendal Bridge fiasco is not just a local issue - it now appears to be very widespread (perhaps to do with all the visitors who were fined) - but if ANY town or city decides to close part of an inner/ outer ringroad or change part of it into a Bus lane (if not properly marked is that actually permitted?) WITHOUT making alternative arrangements IN ADVANCE then it is going to be a diaster. Today was one of the now very rare occasions I had to go into York as I had an appointment (otherwise I now totally avoid it) - and I had to take an alternative route, which doubled my mileage, but at least I knew I would be able to get there on time. Personal circumstances make any other form of transport be difficult for me at present. Even though I live on the totally opposite side of York from Lendal Bridge, I now find I have to avoid my normal route as it now part of the Lendal Bridge diversion route traffic!! Where else do CoYC want to push traffic to and still think the system is copint? jay, york
  • Score: -2

11:34pm Tue 11 Mar 14

RingoStarr says...

Ah! The 'Troll' is back! Pedagogue Paul getting 'plus' scores again!
Ah! The 'Troll' is back! Pedagogue Paul getting 'plus' scores again! RingoStarr
  • Score: -64

9:29am Wed 12 Mar 14

LibDem says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Such is the stuff of democracy I suppose. I'm sure that when Labour were in opposition in York, they would have leapt at the chance to stir it if one of their national figures was in town.
But let's remember that closing one of the main river crossings to private cars was a plank of the 2011-2013 Local Transport Plan. It was signed of by Steve Galloway at the time. Ouse Bridge was specifically mentioned, but also with a commitment to reduce traffic between the Railway Station & Gillygate. Lendal Bridge rather than Ouse Bridge sensibly helps to better fulfil that commitment.
When local elections loom, it's amazing how many politicians conveniently forget the actions of their former colleagues.
I call upon politicians of all parties to publicly express their ongoing support for LTP3. It's the only way to avoid real gridlock for our successors.
...& pressure groups will continue quote selectively from, and misrepresent, very long reports.

The LibDems were, and are committed to reducing the volume of traffic passing though the City centre. Key to this are improvements to the A1237 northern by pass. The A59 junction improvements which were initiated by the last Council, will open this year along with 2 new park and ride sites.

These should help to reduce City centre traffic volumes and might have provided, subject to consultation, the opportunity to introduce trial restrictions on access to Ouse Bridge.

Truth is that Labour jumped the gun.

They implemented restrictions on the wrong bridge, in the wrong year, and using the wrong enforcement method.

The ANPR cameras should be switched off immediately.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Such is the stuff of democracy I suppose. I'm sure that when Labour were in opposition in York, they would have leapt at the chance to stir it if one of their national figures was in town. But let's remember that closing one of the main river crossings to private cars was a plank of the 2011-2013 Local Transport Plan. It was signed of by Steve Galloway at the time. Ouse Bridge was specifically mentioned, but also with a commitment to reduce traffic between the Railway Station & Gillygate. Lendal Bridge rather than Ouse Bridge sensibly helps to better fulfil that commitment. When local elections loom, it's amazing how many politicians conveniently forget the actions of their former colleagues. I call upon politicians of all parties to publicly express their ongoing support for LTP3. It's the only way to avoid real gridlock for our successors.[/p][/quote]...& pressure groups will continue quote selectively from, and misrepresent, very long reports. The LibDems were, and are committed to reducing the volume of traffic passing though the City centre. Key to this are improvements to the A1237 northern by pass. The A59 junction improvements which were initiated by the last Council, will open this year along with 2 new park and ride sites. These should help to reduce City centre traffic volumes and might have provided, subject to consultation, the opportunity to introduce trial restrictions on access to Ouse Bridge. Truth is that Labour jumped the gun. They implemented restrictions on the wrong bridge, in the wrong year, and using the wrong enforcement method. The ANPR cameras should be switched off immediately. LibDem
  • Score: 8

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