Dismay over plans to use Monk Stray as Tour de France camp site

Monk Stray: Stalls, funfair and live entertainment for tour

Monk Stray: Stalls, funfair and live entertainment for tour

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A YORK stray is being advertised as the city’s biggest Tour de France campsite – sparking claims residents were kept in the dark about the plans.

Monk Stray is set to cater for caravans, motorhomes and tents and host live entertainment and big-screen coverage of the world-famous cycle race when its opening stage, Le Grand Depart, comes to the city in July.

Stalls, a funfair and beer tents would be set up on the popular dog-walking area, overlooked by houses.

Heworth Without councillor Nigel Ayre said “behind closed doors” talks over the site were held by City of York Council’s Tour de France project board, despite Coun Sonja Crisp, cabinet member for leisure, culture and tourism, saying in 2011 that applications for public events licences on the stray would be consulted on. He has asked for details of any decisions.

York’s Tour de France website is advertising the stray as “our largest campsite and spectator hub” with bookings being taken for up to nine nights.

Coun Crisp said people would be consulted “more fully” once levels of interest in the campsite were established.

Coun Ayre said: “Monk Stray is well-loved and hugely valued by residents, and it is shocking there was no consultation.”

“The promise that use of it would not be considered without full consultation seems to have been ripped up in the rush to cash in on the Tour. Many residents still don’t know the scale of the proposals.”

Lesley Pratt, who lives next to the stray, said: “We don’t want to spoil anybody’s enjoyment of the Tour, but we are concerned about safety, disruption and the site being advertised with no licence in place and no consultation – it would have been polite to ask us.

“We can’t see how access, including for emergency vehicles, and parking would work and why it is being advertised for nine days.”

Coun Crisp said Monk Stray had two possible uses during Le Grand Depart; as a campsite and a spectator hub, with a licence application made for the latter. She said Coun Ayre had been asked for his views and invited to discuss the issue with officials.

She added: “A meeting is taking place next week in his ward, involving himself and residents, so I’m not really sure what his point is.

“The public’s views are important to us. We want to enable residents to get involved as much as possible to ensure the event is a great success for them and the city.”

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9:51am Fri 7 Feb 14

roskoboskovic says...

the campers will be plagued by the burglars and robbers crossing the road from bandit country.
the campers will be plagued by the burglars and robbers crossing the road from bandit country. roskoboskovic
  • Score: 12

9:53am Fri 7 Feb 14

sixtyfourfive says...

We should all know by now that this shambles of a Council does just what it wants - whenever have they really listened to the electorate on anything?
We should all know by now that this shambles of a Council does just what it wants - whenever have they really listened to the electorate on anything? sixtyfourfive
  • Score: -37

9:58am Fri 7 Feb 14

BL2 says...

“The public’s views are important to us. We want to enable residents to get involved as much as possible to ensure the event is a great success for them and the city.”


So important and you consistently make decisions behind closed doors, don't consult them or totally ignore them on every single policy or event?
[quote]“The public’s views are important to us. We want to enable residents to get involved as much as possible to ensure the event is a great success for them and the city.” [/quote] So important and you consistently make decisions behind closed doors, don't consult them or totally ignore them on every single policy or event? BL2
  • Score: -33

10:02am Fri 7 Feb 14

piemagico says...

sixtyfourfive wrote:
We should all know by now that this shambles of a Council does just what it wants - whenever have they really listened to the electorate on anything?
I'm a York voter and I would like major world events to be put on in the city and for visitors to have cheap accommodation available. So they've listened to me. Can you accept that different people want different things?
[quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: We should all know by now that this shambles of a Council does just what it wants - whenever have they really listened to the electorate on anything?[/p][/quote]I'm a York voter and I would like major world events to be put on in the city and for visitors to have cheap accommodation available. So they've listened to me. Can you accept that different people want different things? piemagico
  • Score: 83

10:04am Fri 7 Feb 14

RingoStarr says...

Sonja Pork-Scratchings strikes again!
Sonja Pork-Scratchings strikes again! RingoStarr
  • Score: -72

10:07am Fri 7 Feb 14

yorkshirelad says...

But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal?

If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office.

If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then.
But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal? If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office. If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then. yorkshirelad
  • Score: 55

10:20am Fri 7 Feb 14

piemagico says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal?

If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office.

If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then.
Reasonable and measured posts such as this have no place on this web site!
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal? If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office. If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then.[/p][/quote]Reasonable and measured posts such as this have no place on this web site! piemagico
  • Score: 33

10:23am Fri 7 Feb 14

localyocal86 says...

I live locally to one of the other proposed camp sites near Millenium Bridge as does a coworker. Neither of us were aware of the plans.

It may well not seem like a big deal to people who do not live near these sites however it is more out of curtesy that the Council should have informed the residents in these areas.

Butcher terrace for instance is one of the access routes. The residents on this street only have onstreet parking, they are probably worried about damage to cars, potentially no parking near their own homes and of course noise pollution.

The event is of course very exciting and will hopefully bring many new tourists to York, which will benfit the local businesses.

It would have been nice to find all this information out about camp sites from the council itself rather than via news stories and own internet research.
I live locally to one of the other proposed camp sites near Millenium Bridge as does a coworker. Neither of us were aware of the plans. It may well not seem like a big deal to people who do not live near these sites however it is more out of curtesy that the Council should have informed the residents in these areas. Butcher terrace for instance is one of the access routes. The residents on this street only have onstreet parking, they are probably worried about damage to cars, potentially no parking near their own homes and of course noise pollution. The event is of course very exciting and will hopefully bring many new tourists to York, which will benfit the local businesses. It would have been nice to find all this information out about camp sites from the council itself rather than via news stories and own internet research. localyocal86
  • Score: -40

10:34am Fri 7 Feb 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Coun Crisp said: I’m not really sure what his point is.

Having just read the press report it is very clear what his point is.

Labour, making consultation genuine (Manifesto pledge) what you were elected to do, just to remind you, as you keep conveniently and selectively reminding us.

This is a one-off event and the councillor representing the residents of the area effected should be involved, informed and included in the decision making process.

You only have to read these comments to realise that the strength of criticism lies in the weakness of the thing criticised. What is being criticised is the failure to include the elected representatives in decisions that effect those who elected him.
Coun Crisp said: I’m not really sure what his point is. Having just read the press report it is very clear what his point is. Labour, making consultation genuine (Manifesto pledge) what you were elected to do, just to remind you, as you keep conveniently and selectively reminding us. This is a one-off event and the councillor representing the residents of the area effected should be involved, informed and included in the decision making process. You only have to read these comments to realise that the strength of criticism lies in the weakness of the thing criticised. What is being criticised is the failure to include the elected representatives in decisions that effect those who elected him. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -53

10:40am Fri 7 Feb 14

Woody G Mellor says...

I've only just found out that there will also be a campsite (by Millennium bridge), right near my house too!

Not that I'm bothered, but I only found out by stumbling across the information whilst on the Web. Not had any notice from our council or the race organisers.

So typical of our "We do what we want" council!
I've only just found out that there will also be a campsite (by Millennium bridge), right near my house too! Not that I'm bothered, but I only found out by stumbling across the information whilst on the Web. Not had any notice from our council or the race organisers. So typical of our "We do what we want" council! Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -20

10:43am Fri 7 Feb 14

notmyrealname says...

Bette than staying in a rip off hotel who have put their prices up to extortionate levels
Hope those campers are all up early and in the biggest traffic jam of all time as the tour leaves York at 9.20 and is in Kirk Hammerton by 9.35 so they will all have to be quick !! Blink and you'll miss it !!
Bette than staying in a rip off hotel who have put their prices up to extortionate levels Hope those campers are all up early and in the biggest traffic jam of all time as the tour leaves York at 9.20 and is in Kirk Hammerton by 9.35 so they will all have to be quick !! Blink and you'll miss it !! notmyrealname
  • Score: -12

10:54am Fri 7 Feb 14

acomblass says...

And shouldn't the York Gild of Freemen be consulted on this issue also?
And shouldn't the York Gild of Freemen be consulted on this issue also? acomblass
  • Score: 22

11:23am Fri 7 Feb 14

tourguide says...

yorkshire lad misses the point. Apart from advertising Monk Stray as a camping site - caravans and campers not just tents - without even telling local residents, they're offering up to nine days camping when the Tour de France event will only be in the city two or three days.
How much is it costing to install showers, toilets, fun fair, giant screen and all the other amenities they're advertising? And if they're going to make a profit, will the money be returned to improving facilities in the area (like the pot holed road)?
yorkshire lad misses the point. Apart from advertising Monk Stray as a camping site - caravans and campers not just tents - without even telling local residents, they're offering up to nine days camping when the Tour de France event will only be in the city two or three days. How much is it costing to install showers, toilets, fun fair, giant screen and all the other amenities they're advertising? And if they're going to make a profit, will the money be returned to improving facilities in the area (like the pot holed road)? tourguide
  • Score: 16

11:24am Fri 7 Feb 14

The Great Buda says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal?

If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office.

If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then.
Some common sense at last.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal? If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office. If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then.[/p][/quote]Some common sense at last. The Great Buda
  • Score: 21

11:27am Fri 7 Feb 14

Knavesmire view says...

"I’m not really sure what his point is"

Sums up the arrogance of this current Council.

Get them out now!!
"I’m not really sure what his point is" Sums up the arrogance of this current Council. Get them out now!! Knavesmire view
  • Score: 6

11:46am Fri 7 Feb 14

York Fawr says...

Most people would like major world events to be put on in the city. I am also sure most people would not like a NINE day campsite, beer tent, late night entertainment etc literally a few yards from their front door. I also suspect not many people who enjoy the open space of Monk Stray will like having it enclosed, water and electricity installed, showers constructed and its unique nature destroyed. The fact that the Council is applying for a licence allowing up to ten such events a year to be held on the stray does appear to show a total disregard for those living in the vicinity. Anyone in York whose property is close to any open land should take warning that they may exit their front door one day and be surprised to find themselves in the midst of a campsite bar.
Most people would like major world events to be put on in the city. I am also sure most people would not like a NINE day campsite, beer tent, late night entertainment etc literally a few yards from their front door. I also suspect not many people who enjoy the open space of Monk Stray will like having it enclosed, water and electricity installed, showers constructed and its unique nature destroyed. The fact that the Council is applying for a licence allowing up to ten such events a year to be held on the stray does appear to show a total disregard for those living in the vicinity. Anyone in York whose property is close to any open land should take warning that they may exit their front door one day and be surprised to find themselves in the midst of a campsite bar. York Fawr
  • Score: 8

1:24pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Exlabourmember says...

Put simply, if anyone else in the city advertised their garden as a campsite and applied for a license for music and alcohol the council would descend on them like a ton of bricks. Why this authority thinks it is any different beggars for belief.

As for Cllr Crisp well who thought she could have sunk any lower

""I'm not really sure what his point is""

Exactly hence why you're way above your pay-grade. I suppose a dignified resignation and retreat to the back benches till being unseated in 2015 is too much to ask for.
Put simply, if anyone else in the city advertised their garden as a campsite and applied for a license for music and alcohol the council would descend on them like a ton of bricks. Why this authority thinks it is any different beggars for belief. As for Cllr Crisp well who thought she could have sunk any lower ""I'm not really sure what his point is"" Exactly hence why you're way above your pay-grade. I suppose a dignified resignation and retreat to the back benches till being unseated in 2015 is too much to ask for. Exlabourmember
  • Score: -13

1:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

madcatlady123 says...

TYPICAL! Completely the wrong place for this sort of thing. The council just doesn't see the harm that thrusting this sort of thing on people does. There's just no respect these days.
TYPICAL! Completely the wrong place for this sort of thing. The council just doesn't see the harm that thrusting this sort of thing on people does. There's just no respect these days. madcatlady123
  • Score: -25

1:41pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Nigel Ayre says...

"She added: “A meeting is taking place next week in his ward, involving himself and residents, so I’m not really sure what his point is. "

For the record having discovered the council's intention through its publicity I personally requested that a public meeting be held. I am currently in the process of trying to arrange and publicise this. Without this effort there would have been no consultation with residents. For anyone to infer otherwise is disingenuous. In 2011 Cllr Crisp personally promised that no further plans for Monk Stray would happen without prior public consultation. She has broken this promise and but for the effort of local residents and myself there would have been no consultation.

Details can be found in the council minutes here

http://democracy.yor
k.gov.uk/ieListDocum
ents.aspx?CId=736&MI
d=6687&Ver=4

"the Cabinet Member stated that the new protocol did not propose any changes in respect of Monk Stray, and that if public events licences were to be applied for they would be subject to public consultation. "
"She added: “A meeting is taking place next week in his ward, involving himself and residents, so I’m not really sure what his point is. " For the record having discovered the council's intention through its publicity I personally requested that a public meeting be held. I am currently in the process of trying to arrange and publicise this. Without this effort there would have been no consultation with residents. For anyone to infer otherwise is disingenuous. In 2011 Cllr Crisp personally promised that no further plans for Monk Stray would happen without prior public consultation. She has broken this promise and but for the effort of local residents and myself there would have been no consultation. Details can be found in the council minutes here http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/ieListDocum ents.aspx?CId=736&MI d=6687&Ver=4 "the Cabinet Member stated that the new protocol did not propose any changes in respect of Monk Stray, and that if public events licences were to be applied for they would be subject to public consultation. " Nigel Ayre
  • Score: -14

1:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

asd says...

Exlabourmember wrote:
Put simply, if anyone else in the city advertised their garden as a campsite and applied for a license for music and alcohol the council would descend on them like a ton of bricks. Why this authority thinks it is any different beggars for belief.

As for Cllr Crisp well who thought she could have sunk any lower

""I'm not really sure what his point is""

Exactly hence why you're way above your pay-grade. I suppose a dignified resignation and retreat to the back benches till being unseated in 2015 is too much to ask for.
Its not private land though, that's the point. doesn't need as much paper work as private applications as far as aware
Lets all leave York as it was in the Middle ages shall we. moan moan moan
[quote][p][bold]Exlabourmember[/bold] wrote: Put simply, if anyone else in the city advertised their garden as a campsite and applied for a license for music and alcohol the council would descend on them like a ton of bricks. Why this authority thinks it is any different beggars for belief. As for Cllr Crisp well who thought she could have sunk any lower ""I'm not really sure what his point is"" Exactly hence why you're way above your pay-grade. I suppose a dignified resignation and retreat to the back benches till being unseated in 2015 is too much to ask for.[/p][/quote]Its not private land though, that's the point. doesn't need as much paper work as private applications as far as aware Lets all leave York as it was in the Middle ages shall we. moan moan moan asd
  • Score: -8

2:04pm Fri 7 Feb 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

This might give some insight into current thinking.

Maybe every challenge = Troll.

Sonja Crisp ‏@CllrCrisp Oct 16
@cllrtraceysl In some folklore real trolls live far from humans & r considered dangerous to them. I like the former & agree with the latter.

Tracey SL ‏@cllrtraceysl Oct 16
@CllrCrisp agree need to make #York a #troll free zone. Working to make #CYC one very soon
This might give some insight into current thinking. Maybe every challenge = Troll. Sonja Crisp ‏@CllrCrisp Oct 16 @cllrtraceysl In some folklore real trolls live far from humans & r considered dangerous to them. I like the former & agree with the latter. Tracey SL ‏@cllrtraceysl Oct 16 @CllrCrisp agree need to make #York a #troll free zone. Working to make #CYC one very soon YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -73

2:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Exlabourmember says...

asd wrote:
Exlabourmember wrote:
Put simply, if anyone else in the city advertised their garden as a campsite and applied for a license for music and alcohol the council would descend on them like a ton of bricks. Why this authority thinks it is any different beggars for belief.

As for Cllr Crisp well who thought she could have sunk any lower

""I'm not really sure what his point is""

Exactly hence why you're way above your pay-grade. I suppose a dignified resignation and retreat to the back benches till being unseated in 2015 is too much to ask for.
Its not private land though, that's the point. doesn't need as much paper work as private applications as far as aware
Lets all leave York as it was in the Middle ages shall we. moan moan moan
sorry are you suggesting the council aren't bound by licensing and planning legislation?

Fairly certain the council as any citizen has to obey the law of the land
[quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exlabourmember[/bold] wrote: Put simply, if anyone else in the city advertised their garden as a campsite and applied for a license for music and alcohol the council would descend on them like a ton of bricks. Why this authority thinks it is any different beggars for belief. As for Cllr Crisp well who thought she could have sunk any lower ""I'm not really sure what his point is"" Exactly hence why you're way above your pay-grade. I suppose a dignified resignation and retreat to the back benches till being unseated in 2015 is too much to ask for.[/p][/quote]Its not private land though, that's the point. doesn't need as much paper work as private applications as far as aware Lets all leave York as it was in the Middle ages shall we. moan moan moan[/p][/quote]sorry are you suggesting the council aren't bound by licensing and planning legislation? Fairly certain the council as any citizen has to obey the law of the land Exlabourmember
  • Score: -70

2:34pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Dave Ruddock says...

As makes no difference The ground around Knavesmire, roace course or not, in not overlooked as much leads ofofften used for Circus, Music Festivals etc etc etc. so why did Numpty council that of other places. The Race course would make a fortune, and everyone happy.

Doinf the Secret Society system of closed doors is like "They are not wanting to hear"
WAKE UP COUCIL
As makes no difference The ground around Knavesmire, roace course or not, in not overlooked as much leads ofofften used for Circus, Music Festivals etc etc etc. so why did Numpty council that of other places. The Race course would make a fortune, and everyone happy. Doinf the Secret Society system of closed doors is like "They are not wanting to hear" WAKE UP COUCIL Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -68

2:48pm Fri 7 Feb 14

york_chap says...

So according to Crispy, Councillor Ayre's concerns are unjustified, as there's a ward meeting next week to consult with residents. Funny that; as two sentences above it says the licence application for the event has already been submitted.

I appreciate that licences take time to be granted and need to be applied for early etc; but this smacks of the council's sustained disregard for York's residents, with them yet again riding roughshod over residents' concerns in favour of tourists.

I don't live near the stray so this won't affect me; but I sure as hell wouldn't want a 'spectator hub' or huge campground on land right next to my house; nor would any reasonable resident. In any event; when the council does give this the green light, if and when they repair considerable the damage this will cause to the land, how much is that going to cost us?
So according to Crispy, Councillor Ayre's concerns are unjustified, as there's a ward meeting next week to consult with residents. Funny that; as two sentences above it says the licence application for the event has already been submitted. I appreciate that licences take time to be granted and need to be applied for early etc; but this smacks of the council's sustained disregard for York's residents, with them yet again riding roughshod over residents' concerns in favour of tourists. I don't live near the stray so this won't affect me; but I sure as hell wouldn't want a 'spectator hub' or huge campground on land right next to my house; nor would any reasonable resident. In any event; when the council does give this the green light, if and when they repair considerable the damage this will cause to the land, how much is that going to cost us? york_chap
  • Score: -60

2:55pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Yorkstar84 says...

I don't usually comment on these stories but there are some valid points above!!!- I too live near the Millenium Bridge and have not been informed about the Fairground/Campsite/
Road Access or Noise control.- Preparing now for 5 nights of no sleep and no parking space. I am sure if we blocked the street or didn't pay our council tax they would be happy to communicate then! - The event is very exciting but its seems poorly organised already which is a shame.
I don't usually comment on these stories but there are some valid points above!!!- I too live near the Millenium Bridge and have not been informed about the Fairground/Campsite/ Road Access or Noise control.- Preparing now for 5 nights of no sleep and no parking space. I am sure if we blocked the street or didn't pay our council tax they would be happy to communicate then! - The event is very exciting but its seems poorly organised already which is a shame. Yorkstar84
  • Score: -62

2:59pm Fri 7 Feb 14

hustler says...

I live within a one minute walk of Monk Stray (off Stockton Lane). I'm not particularly opposed to the temporary campsite; I am a little unsure as to why it is to be in place for such a long period of time (9 days), and whether an on-site funfair is necessary.

Of greater concern though, surely, is the poor drainage of the site, although the summer of 2013 was particularly good, most other years in the last decade the grass at the Stockton Lane side in particular has stood in water and mud for most of the year. A few weeks of rainfall in the weeks leading up to the campsite operating, and there will be a real cliched "Festival" atmosphere!
I live within a one minute walk of Monk Stray (off Stockton Lane). I'm not particularly opposed to the temporary campsite; I am a little unsure as to why it is to be in place for such a long period of time (9 days), and whether an on-site funfair is necessary. Of greater concern though, surely, is the poor drainage of the site, although the summer of 2013 was particularly good, most other years in the last decade the grass at the Stockton Lane side in particular has stood in water and mud for most of the year. A few weeks of rainfall in the weeks leading up to the campsite operating, and there will be a real cliched "Festival" atmosphere! hustler
  • Score: -49

3:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Daley Mayall says...

Consultation with the residents should have been a priority, but if they are not going to do this, then the least the Council can do is reassure those living nearby that the clean-up after hosting such an event will be immediate, thorough, and disruption will be kept to the minimum.

I can see the Malton Rd/Straylands Grove junction becoming an absolute nightmare area though. Surely there must be some feasible traffic-management plan in place? Hmmmm....
Consultation with the residents should have been a priority, but if they are not going to do this, then the least the Council can do is reassure those living nearby that the clean-up after hosting such an event will be immediate, thorough, and disruption will be kept to the minimum. I can see the Malton Rd/Straylands Grove junction becoming an absolute nightmare area though. Surely there must be some feasible traffic-management plan in place? Hmmmm.... Daley Mayall
  • Score: 12

3:26pm Fri 7 Feb 14

directdebbie says...

Hope there is going to be extra police around during the nine days, one to protect all the visitor and residents from all the idiots/thugs who may decide to go to the camp site and either rob the campers or cause mayhem.
Hope there is going to be extra police around during the nine days, one to protect all the visitor and residents from all the idiots/thugs who may decide to go to the camp site and either rob the campers or cause mayhem. directdebbie
  • Score: -8

3:44pm Fri 7 Feb 14

stephen123 says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal?

If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office.

If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then.
It is for 9 days not taking account setting up and dismantling the site afterwards. Then in future years they want to hold events for up to 10,000 people and to sell them alcohol. So it is not a "one off". Why do this in the middle of a residential area when 3 minutes up the road and 3 minutes from Monks Cross there is considerably more space on the Stray that is well fenced and surrounded by agricultural land that would provide a more suitable location for such large events.

If the Council used common sense when considering suitable venues for such large disruptive events in and around York this could all have been avoided . They were already aware of the residents views concerning the sale of alcohol and holding events on Monk Stray when their similar application in 2011 was rejected due to the number of objections they received. So that is why we are unhappy when they advertise Monk Stray as the biggest camp site, and continue to make decisions without having the decency and courtesy to consult the residents who will be directly affected by their decisions.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal? If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office. If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then.[/p][/quote]It is for 9 days not taking account setting up and dismantling the site afterwards. Then in future years they want to hold events for up to 10,000 people and to sell them alcohol. So it is not a "one off". Why do this in the middle of a residential area when 3 minutes up the road and 3 minutes from Monks Cross there is considerably more space on the Stray that is well fenced and surrounded by agricultural land that would provide a more suitable location for such large events. If the Council used common sense when considering suitable venues for such large disruptive events in and around York this could all have been avoided . They were already aware of the residents views concerning the sale of alcohol and holding events on Monk Stray when their similar application in 2011 was rejected due to the number of objections they received. So that is why we are unhappy when they advertise Monk Stray as the biggest camp site, and continue to make decisions without having the decency and courtesy to consult the residents who will be directly affected by their decisions. stephen123
  • Score: -1

3:48pm Fri 7 Feb 14

bolero says...

There will be another mass exodus from York; the council; come 2015 when hopefully this crowd of miscreants will be on their bikes.
There will be another mass exodus from York; the council; come 2015 when hopefully this crowd of miscreants will be on their bikes. bolero
  • Score: 0

3:57pm Fri 7 Feb 14

yorkie71 says...

Where on earth will the campers park at these sites ? They need to be close to lug their camping equipment from the car
Where on earth will the campers park at these sites ? They need to be close to lug their camping equipment from the car yorkie71
  • Score: -1

4:33pm Fri 7 Feb 14

wallman says...

whats wrong with the knavesmire or have the people who run the racecourse told the council they cant have the land even tho' we own it not them
whats wrong with the knavesmire or have the people who run the racecourse told the council they cant have the land even tho' we own it not them wallman
  • Score: -4

4:59pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Dr Brian says...

Consultation and City of York Council are NEVER seen in the same sentence!
Consultation and City of York Council are NEVER seen in the same sentence! Dr Brian
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Fri 7 Feb 14

yorkma says...

Wondered why drainage work was taking place the last few weeks/months. Disgusting behaviour by labour council as per usual.We live near to Monk Stray and this is the first we knew of it. Bars and funfairs lovely, cant wait sure the people directly adjacent to the strays are going to have a lovely time.A great advert for the CIty the tour de france, yes come along to a city where you are fined for crossing a bridge.Fully appreciate its a one off and will be a spectacle for those interested but as usual this council just does what it wants and so sly it beggars belief. Hope this useless jumped up shower remember to lock the gates when its finished as we know what will happen if they dont !!
Wondered why drainage work was taking place the last few weeks/months. Disgusting behaviour by labour council as per usual.We live near to Monk Stray and this is the first we knew of it. Bars and funfairs lovely, cant wait sure the people directly adjacent to the strays are going to have a lovely time.A great advert for the CIty the tour de france, yes come along to a city where you are fined for crossing a bridge.Fully appreciate its a one off and will be a spectacle for those interested but as usual this council just does what it wants and so sly it beggars belief. Hope this useless jumped up shower remember to lock the gates when its finished as we know what will happen if they dont !! yorkma
  • Score: -2

7:45pm Fri 7 Feb 14

tgfoy says...

Monk Stray is held in trust by the local authority for the exclusive benefit of the freemen of that stray's historic ward. This is spelled out in the inclosure act for this stray, it is private land used by the public not public land. The council also manage the strays and get all the income from them, they do not own Monk Stray.
The Freemen have not been consulted over the license application or the use of the land for a camp site. .
The Pasture Masters of Monk Stray (of which I am one) are appalled at the lack of consultation from this department despite others within the council being open to talking to us about the goings on on the Stray. Monk Stray is completely unsuited for the activities mentioned in the License application and as pointed out by another even last year was waterlogged for most of the summer, as it has been for the last few years. The camp site is not mentioned in the license application, although it is stated that they expect up to 10, 000 (yes ten thousand) will attend the hub event proposed for this area of the stray.
Whilst we welcome increased use of the Stray for suitable public events, that which is proposed is out of scale with the size of this stray which is adjacent to residences.
P.s. The works further up the stray are not for drainage of the land, but to install a new sewer from the developments at Monks Cross
Monk Stray is held in trust by the local authority for the exclusive benefit of the freemen of that stray's historic ward. This is spelled out in the inclosure act for this stray, it is private land used by the public not public land. The council also manage the strays and get all the income from them, they do not own Monk Stray. The Freemen have not been consulted over the license application or the use of the land for a camp site. . The Pasture Masters of Monk Stray (of which I am one) are appalled at the lack of consultation from this department despite others within the council being open to talking to us about the goings on on the Stray. Monk Stray is completely unsuited for the activities mentioned in the License application and as pointed out by another even last year was waterlogged for most of the summer, as it has been for the last few years. The camp site is not mentioned in the license application, although it is stated that they expect up to 10, 000 (yes ten thousand) will attend the hub event proposed for this area of the stray. Whilst we welcome increased use of the Stray for suitable public events, that which is proposed is out of scale with the size of this stray which is adjacent to residences. P.s. The works further up the stray are not for drainage of the land, but to install a new sewer from the developments at Monks Cross tgfoy
  • Score: 25

9:27pm Fri 7 Feb 14

heworth.28 says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
the campers will be plagued by the burglars and robbers crossing the road from bandit country.
Yeah, Heworth Golf Club and the Crossway are such no-go areas these days
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: the campers will be plagued by the burglars and robbers crossing the road from bandit country.[/p][/quote]Yeah, Heworth Golf Club and the Crossway are such no-go areas these days heworth.28
  • Score: 4

10:34pm Fri 7 Feb 14

jonbonce says...

What an exciting proposal, i live opposite monks stray and i reckon its a great idea, too many nimby's around nowadays, im sure it will be fun while it lasts.
What an exciting proposal, i live opposite monks stray and i reckon its a great idea, too many nimby's around nowadays, im sure it will be fun while it lasts. jonbonce
  • Score: 0

12:16am Sat 8 Feb 14

madcatlady123 says...

I think people who talk about 'nimbys' are just selfish people who want fun at other people's expense. Go have fun somewhere else! And it's nowhere near my back yard actually.
I think people who talk about 'nimbys' are just selfish people who want fun at other people's expense. Go have fun somewhere else! And it's nowhere near my back yard actually. madcatlady123
  • Score: 7

12:35am Sat 8 Feb 14

sixtyfourfive says...

piemagico wrote:
sixtyfourfive wrote:
We should all know by now that this shambles of a Council does just what it wants - whenever have they really listened to the electorate on anything?
I'm a York voter and I would like major world events to be put on in the city and for visitors to have cheap accommodation available. So they've listened to me. Can you accept that different people want different things?
You totally miss the point don't you? I did not say I opposed the Tour de France coming to York - my point was the lack of consultation over the use of Monk Stray - as emphasised by many more on this forum since my posting.Can you accept that you've missed the point?
[quote][p][bold]piemagico[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: We should all know by now that this shambles of a Council does just what it wants - whenever have they really listened to the electorate on anything?[/p][/quote]I'm a York voter and I would like major world events to be put on in the city and for visitors to have cheap accommodation available. So they've listened to me. Can you accept that different people want different things?[/p][/quote]You totally miss the point don't you? I did not say I opposed the Tour de France coming to York - my point was the lack of consultation over the use of Monk Stray - as emphasised by many more on this forum since my posting.Can you accept that you've missed the point? sixtyfourfive
  • Score: 10

1:40am Sat 8 Feb 14

hustler says...

hustler wrote:
I live within a one minute walk of Monk Stray (off Stockton Lane). I'm not particularly opposed to the temporary campsite; I am a little unsure as to why it is to be in place for such a long period of time (9 days), and whether an on-site funfair is necessary.

Of greater concern though, surely, is the poor drainage of the site, although the summer of 2013 was particularly good, most other years in the last decade the grass at the Stockton Lane side in particular has stood in water and mud for most of the year. A few weeks of rainfall in the weeks leading up to the campsite operating, and there will be a real cliched "Festival" atmosphere!
I see the score hacking cretin has been active once again. York Press needs to get a grip, and either do away with these +/- scores, or set up some sort of system to prevent the abuse of it.

I'll be very disappointed if I don't have a mark of at least -500 by 9.30 in the morning for this comment.
[quote][p][bold]hustler[/bold] wrote: I live within a one minute walk of Monk Stray (off Stockton Lane). I'm not particularly opposed to the temporary campsite; I am a little unsure as to why it is to be in place for such a long period of time (9 days), and whether an on-site funfair is necessary. Of greater concern though, surely, is the poor drainage of the site, although the summer of 2013 was particularly good, most other years in the last decade the grass at the Stockton Lane side in particular has stood in water and mud for most of the year. A few weeks of rainfall in the weeks leading up to the campsite operating, and there will be a real cliched "Festival" atmosphere![/p][/quote]I see the score hacking cretin has been active once again. York Press needs to get a grip, and either do away with these +/- scores, or set up some sort of system to prevent the abuse of it. I'll be very disappointed if I don't have a mark of at least -500 by 9.30 in the morning for this comment. hustler
  • Score: 11

4:24am Sat 8 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

RingoStarr wrote:
Sonja Pork-Scratchings strikes again!
How has she struck again? is there going to be a 20mph limit on Malton Road perhaps???
[quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: Sonja Pork-Scratchings strikes again![/p][/quote]How has she struck again? is there going to be a 20mph limit on Malton Road perhaps??? Magicman!
  • Score: 2

4:31am Sat 8 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

I'll be honest here, I thought this article would have been in print a week ago, not loing after the news was broken that Monk Stray would become a big campsite.

I don't live right by the stray, but rather up in Huntington itself and have to use New Lane (along with the stupid traffic lights that only let 4 cars have a green light even when there's 20 vehicles waiting for that green light)... my concern regarding the stray is over access. The only road that bisects to Stray is Straylands Grove - and anybody who's tried to turn right out of there or who drives the number 20 bus will tell you it can be a nightmare if you get the time of day wrong. SO assuming that everybody who's going to be using the stray comes in a large car or van, there's going to be several hundred vehicles all wanting to turn out onto Malton Road within a short time frame - or when they arrive there could be a queue of vehicles that back up along Malton Road. And what of the public rights of way across parts of the Stray?

Currently there seems to be drainage works going on at the northern end of the Stray, perhaps that's in preparation for toilet blocks etc....
I'll be honest here, I thought this article would have been in print a week ago, not loing after the news was broken that Monk Stray would become a big campsite. I don't live right by the stray, but rather up in Huntington itself and have to use New Lane (along with the stupid traffic lights that only let 4 cars have a green light even when there's 20 vehicles waiting for that green light)... my concern regarding the stray is over access. The only road that bisects to Stray is Straylands Grove - and anybody who's tried to turn right out of there or who drives the number 20 bus will tell you it can be a nightmare if you get the time of day wrong. SO assuming that everybody who's going to be using the stray comes in a large car or van, there's going to be several hundred vehicles all wanting to turn out onto Malton Road within a short time frame - or when they arrive there could be a queue of vehicles that back up along Malton Road. And what of the public rights of way across parts of the Stray? Currently there seems to be drainage works going on at the northern end of the Stray, perhaps that's in preparation for toilet blocks etc.... Magicman!
  • Score: 8

9:30am Sat 8 Feb 14

CaroleBaines says...

The Great Buda wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal?

If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office.

If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then.
Some common sense at last.
Absolutely. Another story which doesn't really match the headline. Where is the 'dismay'? Am not particularly pro-Council, but I am against negative comments and headlines for nothing - they make it so much harder to hear debate about real Council blunders.
The TdF is a huge event and will put money into Council and trader coffers whilst boosting the profile of York with lots of free advertising. Are we really 'dismayed' about the fact there MIGHT be some camping there. Early stage to be 'dismayed', surely.
Proportion - you can't beat it and you often can't find it in this newspaper.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: But is it really a good use of our council tax to embark on expensive consultation exercises before they do anything at all? A temporary campsite for one of the biggest events York has ever staged...for what ....3 or 4 days...in a public space? Is it really such a big deal? If we want efficient local councils, then a degree of delegated responsibility goes along with the democratic act of voting them into office. If we do think we should be consulted, then perhaps we should also be consulted before every race meeting at York Racecourse with all the alcohol-fuelled behaviour that we all regularly put up with then.[/p][/quote]Some common sense at last.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Another story which doesn't really match the headline. Where is the 'dismay'? Am not particularly pro-Council, but I am against negative comments and headlines for nothing - they make it so much harder to hear debate about real Council blunders. The TdF is a huge event and will put money into Council and trader coffers whilst boosting the profile of York with lots of free advertising. Are we really 'dismayed' about the fact there MIGHT be some camping there. Early stage to be 'dismayed', surely. Proportion - you can't beat it and you often can't find it in this newspaper. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 5

11:13am Sat 8 Feb 14

RingoStarr says...

Hmm, see my original comment has 'disappeared' maybe I should have said:
'Cllr James Alexander is a truly wonderous person and is loved by the people of York for his decisive and well thought-out plans. The York Labour Council is held in awe by the electorate and will, no doubt, romp to victory at the next local elections'
Hmm, see my original comment has 'disappeared' maybe I should have said: 'Cllr James Alexander is a truly wonderous person and is loved by the people of York for his decisive and well thought-out plans. The York Labour Council is held in awe by the electorate and will, no doubt, romp to victory at the next local elections' RingoStarr
  • Score: 10

12:54pm Sat 8 Feb 14

mike.......durkin says...

if the council is making cash out of this then thay chud cut rent and council tax be half for the poor and workin hard maly like us
if the council is making cash out of this then thay chud cut rent and council tax be half for the poor and workin hard maly like us mike.......durkin
  • Score: -4

12:57pm Sat 8 Feb 14

mike.......durkin says...

if the council is making cash out of this then thay shud cut rent and council tax by half for the poor and workin hard famly like us and all
if the council is making cash out of this then thay shud cut rent and council tax by half for the poor and workin hard famly like us and all mike.......durkin
  • Score: -1

3:15pm Sat 8 Feb 14

straylandsbloke says...

To anyone thinking of coming and staying welcome to York, some free advice, bring a scoop and some bags to clear your pitch and don't let your toddlers crawl around the on the "grass"
To anyone thinking of coming and staying welcome to York, some free advice, bring a scoop and some bags to clear your pitch and don't let your toddlers crawl around the on the "grass" straylandsbloke
  • Score: 9

7:15pm Sat 8 Feb 14

the_wasp says...

What a great idea and site to celebrate such a wonderful occasion
What a great idea and site to celebrate such a wonderful occasion the_wasp
  • Score: -3

4:01am Sun 9 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

straylandsbloke wrote:
To anyone thinking of coming and staying welcome to York, some free advice, bring a scoop and some bags to clear your pitch and don't let your toddlers crawl around the on the "grass"
well if th4e current weather is anything to go by, I'd say to bring some wellies and waders too! (maybe even some black ones that make breathing noises, Darth Wader....)
[quote][p][bold]straylandsbloke[/bold] wrote: To anyone thinking of coming and staying welcome to York, some free advice, bring a scoop and some bags to clear your pitch and don't let your toddlers crawl around the on the "grass"[/p][/quote]well if th4e current weather is anything to go by, I'd say to bring some wellies and waders too! (maybe even some black ones that make breathing noises, Darth Wader....) Magicman!
  • Score: 5

7:12pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Igiveinthen says...

Magicman! wrote:
I'll be honest here, I thought this article would have been in print a week ago, not loing after the news was broken that Monk Stray would become a big campsite.

I don't live right by the stray, but rather up in Huntington itself and have to use New Lane (along with the stupid traffic lights that only let 4 cars have a green light even when there's 20 vehicles waiting for that green light)... my concern regarding the stray is over access. The only road that bisects to Stray is Straylands Grove - and anybody who's tried to turn right out of there or who drives the number 20 bus will tell you it can be a nightmare if you get the time of day wrong. SO assuming that everybody who's going to be using the stray comes in a large car or van, there's going to be several hundred vehicles all wanting to turn out onto Malton Road within a short time frame - or when they arrive there could be a queue of vehicles that back up along Malton Road. And what of the public rights of way across parts of the Stray?

Currently there seems to be drainage works going on at the northern end of the Stray, perhaps that's in preparation for toilet blocks etc....
Re the drainage - if you refer to tgfoy comment - P.s. The works further up the stray are not for drainage of the land, but to install a new sewer from the developments at Monks Cross.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: I'll be honest here, I thought this article would have been in print a week ago, not loing after the news was broken that Monk Stray would become a big campsite. I don't live right by the stray, but rather up in Huntington itself and have to use New Lane (along with the stupid traffic lights that only let 4 cars have a green light even when there's 20 vehicles waiting for that green light)... my concern regarding the stray is over access. The only road that bisects to Stray is Straylands Grove - and anybody who's tried to turn right out of there or who drives the number 20 bus will tell you it can be a nightmare if you get the time of day wrong. SO assuming that everybody who's going to be using the stray comes in a large car or van, there's going to be several hundred vehicles all wanting to turn out onto Malton Road within a short time frame - or when they arrive there could be a queue of vehicles that back up along Malton Road. And what of the public rights of way across parts of the Stray? Currently there seems to be drainage works going on at the northern end of the Stray, perhaps that's in preparation for toilet blocks etc....[/p][/quote]Re the drainage - if you refer to tgfoy comment - P.s. The works further up the stray are not for drainage of the land, but to install a new sewer from the developments at Monks Cross. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 3

12:42pm Mon 10 Feb 14

mjgyork says...

bolero wrote:
There will be another mass exodus from York; the council; come 2015 when hopefully this crowd of miscreants will be on their bikes.
If they are on their bikes, at least they will be able to go over Lendal Bridge. Mass Exodus???
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: There will be another mass exodus from York; the council; come 2015 when hopefully this crowd of miscreants will be on their bikes.[/p][/quote]If they are on their bikes, at least they will be able to go over Lendal Bridge. Mass Exodus??? mjgyork
  • Score: -1

1:55am Tue 11 Feb 14

Rocking Horse says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
This might give some insight into current thinking. Maybe every challenge = Troll. Sonja Crisp ‏@CllrCrisp Oct 16 @cllrtraceysl In some folklore real trolls live far from humans & r considered dangerous to them. I like the former & agree with the latter. Tracey SL ‏@cllrtraceysl Oct 16 @CllrCrisp agree need to make #York a #troll free zone. Working to make #CYC one very soon
What Tracey 'the gagger' Simpson-Laing alludes to here is her's and James 'the other gagger' Alexander's failed attempt at gagging the public from speaking at council meetings.

Under their totalitarian marxist regime, they intend to control the media (through their 'Media City York' vehicle), ban freedom of speech, and brand any dissenters as 'trolls' !

Their plan is due to hit the buffers in 2015, when they will be booted out for good !
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: This might give some insight into current thinking. Maybe every challenge = Troll. Sonja Crisp ‏@CllrCrisp Oct 16 @cllrtraceysl In some folklore real trolls live far from humans & r considered dangerous to them. I like the former & agree with the latter. Tracey SL ‏@cllrtraceysl Oct 16 @CllrCrisp agree need to make #York a #troll free zone. Working to make #CYC one very soon[/p][/quote]What Tracey 'the gagger' Simpson-Laing alludes to here is her's and James 'the other gagger' Alexander's failed attempt at gagging the public from speaking at council meetings. Under their totalitarian marxist regime, they intend to control the media (through their 'Media City York' vehicle), ban freedom of speech, and brand any dissenters as 'trolls' ! Their plan is due to hit the buffers in 2015, when they will be booted out for good ! Rocking Horse
  • Score: 4

11:25am Tue 11 Feb 14

meme says...

Its a temporary camp site on public land for a very prestigious event we have been very lucky to get. its not a gypsy encampment forever so we should get on with it
At worst its a temporary inconvenience to those living nearby
We should be celebrating, not sniping and those who look over the Stray should make everyone welcome
Its a temporary camp site on public land for a very prestigious event we have been very lucky to get. its not a gypsy encampment forever so we should get on with it At worst its a temporary inconvenience to those living nearby We should be celebrating, not sniping and those who look over the Stray should make everyone welcome meme
  • Score: -2

9:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

nvjames says...

mike.......durkin wrote:
if the council is making cash out of this then thay shud cut rent and council tax by half for the poor and workin hard famly like us and all
Or maybe that money is going someway to pay the £1.66 million bill.
[quote][p][bold]mike.......durkin[/bold] wrote: if the council is making cash out of this then thay shud cut rent and council tax by half for the poor and workin hard famly like us and all[/p][/quote]Or maybe that money is going someway to pay the £1.66 million bill. nvjames
  • Score: -1

7:25am Thu 6 Mar 14

scottie61 says...

Why since there is a caravan & camping site 1 mile up the road in Stockton Lane can part of the extra proposed visitors be put there - sure the local business would be able to be given a extension for the extra capacity - all the infra structure is already there ?
Why since there is a caravan & camping site 1 mile up the road in Stockton Lane can part of the extra proposed visitors be put there - sure the local business would be able to be given a extension for the extra capacity - all the infra structure is already there ? scottie61
  • Score: 0

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