New partnership aims to ensure everyone benefits from economic recovery

York Press: New partnership aims to ensure everyone benefits from economic recovery New partnership aims to ensure everyone benefits from economic recovery

THE York-based Joseph Rowntree Foundation and Leeds city region have launched a new partnership aimed at ensuring everyone benefits from the recovery.

The “More Jobs, Better Jobs” venture is intended to bring together employers, local authorities and politicians to design and deliver new policy initiatives so poorer people are not left behind when the economy grows.

Foundation chief executive Julia Unwin said she welcomed the news that the economy was in recovery but knew from past experience that there was no guarantee everyone would benefit.

“We cannot be complacent about the impact of the economic recovery for people in poverty,” she said.

“We want to change that. A recovery that leaves poorer people and places behind is no real recovery.”

A spokeswoman said that to support the partnership, the foundation had published two new reports.

Its Cities, Growth and Poverty: evidence review – by a team at the Work Foundation, the Institute for Employment Research at the University of Warwick, and the London School of Economics - finds that economic growth does not automatically lead to poverty reduction, she said.

“The quality and quantity of new jobs created is the most important factor in decreasing poverty in cities. Increases in output and productivity have little effect on poverty reduction.

“Emphasis needs to be placed on creating new jobs for young people and people with low and intermediate skills levels.

“The report finds that the quality of jobs created is as important as the quantity – especially for people in low-paid, low-skilled work.”

She said another foundation report, Future of the UK labour market, had found that the UK had a large number of low-paid, low-skilled jobs compared to other developed countries.

“The report describes the growing problem of in-work poverty as an “inconvenient truth” for politicians.

“However, better pay is not the only labour market intervention that matters. Improved terms and conditions, job security and progression in work must also be addressed for work to act as a more reliable route out of poverty.”

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9:29am Fri 7 Feb 14

Kevin Turvey says...

It’s all very laudable that ‘everyone benefits from economic recovery’.

However is ‘everyone’ doing their bit to enable that to occur for all to benefit?

Surely the ones working hard to make that happen have a more justifiable claim to ‘benefit’ more than the ones that are not doing anything to aid the situation.

Yet again it seems that these do-gooding organisations want everyone to benefit at the expense/efforts of the fewer.

Well it does not actually work like that does it in the real world, perhaps it does in a neo socialist utopia.

Well the doers are a little sick of the non-doers living off the backs of our efforts and expecting to not fall behind!

It is up to individuals to improve their own lot in life through their own efforts rather than expect it to be given to them, perhaps that way they may well appreciate it too.
It’s all very laudable that ‘everyone benefits from economic recovery’. However is ‘everyone’ doing their bit to enable that to occur for all to benefit? Surely the ones working hard to make that happen have a more justifiable claim to ‘benefit’ more than the ones that are not doing anything to aid the situation. Yet again it seems that these do-gooding organisations want everyone to benefit at the expense/efforts of the fewer. Well it does not actually work like that does it in the real world, perhaps it does in a neo socialist utopia. Well the doers are a little sick of the non-doers living off the backs of our efforts and expecting to not fall behind! It is up to individuals to improve their own lot in life through their own efforts rather than expect it to be given to them, perhaps that way they may well appreciate it too. Kevin Turvey

10:09am Fri 7 Feb 14

tonyfromitaly says...

There we go again with that word "POVERTY" the word that has challenged our councillor to put a true definition to, but has thus far been unable or unwilling to. I have yet to see homeless people with swollen bellies barely clothed in rags in York. In Africa yes !. So if Matthew Laverack cannot draw an honest answer from you Ms Liang then perhaps you will offer one to me ?.
There we go again with that word "POVERTY" the word that has challenged our councillor to put a true definition to, but has thus far been unable or unwilling to. I have yet to see homeless people with swollen bellies barely clothed in rags in York. In Africa yes !. So if Matthew Laverack cannot draw an honest answer from you Ms Liang then perhaps you will offer one to me ?. tonyfromitaly

10:12am Fri 7 Feb 14

Zetkin says...

Can't agree with any of Kevin Turvey's points. The prime effect of the recession is that the rich have got richer whilst the poor have got poorer.

Wealth in society is created by the labour of workers, not by the "investments" of the rich, yet the result of nearly four years of Tory/Liberal government is that real wages for workers have fallen by thousands of pounds. That leaves many in deepening poverty, despite their very real contribution to their bosses' (the real "non-doers") increasing wealth and power.

Kevin Turvey denonuces the JRF as "do-gooders". Presumably he sides 100% with the do-badders in government who have made it their mission to ensure britain continues to have government of the obscenely-rich, by the obscenely-rich, for the obscenely-rich.
Can't agree with any of Kevin Turvey's points. The prime effect of the recession is that the rich have got richer whilst the poor have got poorer. Wealth in society is created by the labour of workers, not by the "investments" of the rich, yet the result of nearly four years of Tory/Liberal government is that real wages for workers have fallen by thousands of pounds. That leaves many in deepening poverty, despite their very real contribution to their bosses' (the real "non-doers") increasing wealth and power. Kevin Turvey denonuces the JRF as "do-gooders". Presumably he sides 100% with the do-badders in government who have made it their mission to ensure britain continues to have government of the obscenely-rich, by the obscenely-rich, for the obscenely-rich. Zetkin

1:05pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

tonyfromitaly wrote:
There we go again with that word "POVERTY" the word that has challenged our councillor to put a true definition to, but has thus far been unable or unwilling to. I have yet to see homeless people with swollen bellies barely clothed in rags in York. In Africa yes !. So if Matthew Laverack cannot draw an honest answer from you Ms Liang then perhaps you will offer one to me ?.
This story isn't about the council and doesn't mention TSL.
[quote][p][bold]tonyfromitaly[/bold] wrote: There we go again with that word "POVERTY" the word that has challenged our councillor to put a true definition to, but has thus far been unable or unwilling to. I have yet to see homeless people with swollen bellies barely clothed in rags in York. In Africa yes !. So if Matthew Laverack cannot draw an honest answer from you Ms Liang then perhaps you will offer one to me ?.[/p][/quote]This story isn't about the council and doesn't mention TSL. Buzzz Light-year

1:17pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Priapus says...

Zetkin wrote:
Can't agree with any of Kevin Turvey's points. The prime effect of the recession is that the rich have got richer whilst the poor have got poorer.

Wealth in society is created by the labour of workers, not by the "investments" of the rich, yet the result of nearly four years of Tory/Liberal government is that real wages for workers have fallen by thousands of pounds. That leaves many in deepening poverty, despite their very real contribution to their bosses' (the real "non-doers") increasing wealth and power.

Kevin Turvey denonuces the JRF as "do-gooders". Presumably he sides 100% with the do-badders in government who have made it their mission to ensure britain continues to have government of the obscenely-rich, by the obscenely-rich, for the obscenely-rich.
Depends how you define ‘rich’. The top 10% of earners have been hit hardest during the recession although they obviously have more disposable income than the poor. The problem for those on the left, who want to hike taxes, is that to be in the top 10% only needs an income of around £44K a year which, although comfortable, is hardly extreme.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Can't agree with any of Kevin Turvey's points. The prime effect of the recession is that the rich have got richer whilst the poor have got poorer. Wealth in society is created by the labour of workers, not by the "investments" of the rich, yet the result of nearly four years of Tory/Liberal government is that real wages for workers have fallen by thousands of pounds. That leaves many in deepening poverty, despite their very real contribution to their bosses' (the real "non-doers") increasing wealth and power. Kevin Turvey denonuces the JRF as "do-gooders". Presumably he sides 100% with the do-badders in government who have made it their mission to ensure britain continues to have government of the obscenely-rich, by the obscenely-rich, for the obscenely-rich.[/p][/quote]Depends how you define ‘rich’. The top 10% of earners have been hit hardest during the recession although they obviously have more disposable income than the poor. The problem for those on the left, who want to hike taxes, is that to be in the top 10% only needs an income of around £44K a year which, although comfortable, is hardly extreme. Priapus

3:08pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Zetkin says...
Can't agree with any of Kevin Turvey's points. The prime effect of the recession is that the rich have got richer whilst the poor have got poorer.

Wealth in society is created by the labour of workers, not by the "investments" of the rich, yet the result of nearly four years of Tory/Liberal government is that real wages for workers have fallen by thousands of pounds. That leaves many in deepening poverty, despite their very real contribution to their bosses' (the real "non-doers") increasing wealth and power.

Kevin Turvey denonuces the JRF as "do-gooders". Presumably he sides 100% with the do-badders in government who have made it their mission to ensure britain continues to have government of the obscenely-rich, by the obscenely-rich, for the obscenely-rich.’



Fair enough everybody has a view, that is the point of debate, unlike what our dear leader Kim Joung Alexander the not so great thinks!

As someone who is neither in poverty nor what anybody would call rich I have certainly seen my relative level drop in the recent years as have many others and many of them to a hefty amount, however my point is that I am willing and I am actually doing something about it myself rather than just sprouting dogma that everybody should benefit.

But what are the ‘do-gooders’ actually doing about it rather than just saying that it’s unfair?

Whose money and effort are they going to extend to individuals no matter how worthy and what is the return? Certainty they will not be investing their own money!

PS.
I do not have any political leaning to the established left or right, more of an Libertarian Anarchist myself, so I want a minimal government and little interference in my own way of making a living and improving my lot in life through my own efforts with my long term benefit being the end game.

Why should I support those who do nothing to help themselves that are perfectly capable but for whatever reason think moaning is better than action?

I whole hardly support a small welfare state for genuine cases of illness, disability and the very needy etc. but it stops there.
‘Zetkin says... Can't agree with any of Kevin Turvey's points. The prime effect of the recession is that the rich have got richer whilst the poor have got poorer. Wealth in society is created by the labour of workers, not by the "investments" of the rich, yet the result of nearly four years of Tory/Liberal government is that real wages for workers have fallen by thousands of pounds. That leaves many in deepening poverty, despite their very real contribution to their bosses' (the real "non-doers") increasing wealth and power. Kevin Turvey denonuces the JRF as "do-gooders". Presumably he sides 100% with the do-badders in government who have made it their mission to ensure britain continues to have government of the obscenely-rich, by the obscenely-rich, for the obscenely-rich.’ Fair enough everybody has a view, that is the point of debate, unlike what our dear leader Kim Joung Alexander the not so great thinks! As someone who is neither in poverty nor what anybody would call rich I have certainly seen my relative level drop in the recent years as have many others and many of them to a hefty amount, however my point is that I am willing and I am actually doing something about it myself rather than just sprouting dogma that everybody should benefit. But what are the ‘do-gooders’ actually doing about it rather than just saying that it’s unfair? Whose money and effort are they going to extend to individuals no matter how worthy and what is the return? Certainty they will not be investing their own money! PS. I do not have any political leaning to the established left or right, more of an Libertarian Anarchist myself, so I want a minimal government and little interference in my own way of making a living and improving my lot in life through my own efforts with my long term benefit being the end game. Why should I support those who do nothing to help themselves that are perfectly capable but for whatever reason think moaning is better than action? I whole hardly support a small welfare state for genuine cases of illness, disability and the very needy etc. but it stops there. Kevin Turvey

3:10pm Fri 7 Feb 14

tonyfromitaly says...

tonyfromitaly wrote:
There we go again with that word "POVERTY" the word that has challenged our councillor to put a true definition to, but has thus far been unable or unwilling to. I have yet to see homeless people with swollen bellies barely clothed in rags in York. In Africa yes !. So if Matthew Laverack cannot draw an honest answer from you Ms Liang then perhaps you will offer one to me ?.
The story mentions Poverty and as JRT are hand in glove with CYC then the story goes back to the fact that TSL cannot give a straight answer to a straight question. IE a clear definition . So Buzz, the story has everything to do with CYC as well you know.
Obviously you don't have anything better to do than take a swipe at anyone you don't like or don't like what they have to say about you.

You really are a sad individual.
[quote][p][bold]tonyfromitaly[/bold] wrote: There we go again with that word "POVERTY" the word that has challenged our councillor to put a true definition to, but has thus far been unable or unwilling to. I have yet to see homeless people with swollen bellies barely clothed in rags in York. In Africa yes !. So if Matthew Laverack cannot draw an honest answer from you Ms Liang then perhaps you will offer one to me ?.[/p][/quote]The story mentions Poverty and as JRT are hand in glove with CYC then the story goes back to the fact that TSL cannot give a straight answer to a straight question. IE a clear definition . So Buzz, the story has everything to do with CYC as well you know. Obviously you don't have anything better to do than take a swipe at anyone you don't like or don't like what they have to say about you. You really are a sad individual. tonyfromitaly

7:37pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

tonyfromitaly wrote:
The story mentions Poverty and as JRT are hand in glove with CYC then the story goes back to the fact that TSL...

We're only two steps away from Kevin Bacon here.

the story goes back to the fact that TSL cannot give a straight answer to a straight question.

Only in your mind. Everyone else is discussing the topics in the article. They don't have the same agenda as you.

Obviously you don't have anything better to do than take a swipe at anyone you don't like or don't like what they have to say about you.

You really are a sad individual.

That's a lot more of a swipe than my objective and factual observation.
You diss me, I'll come back at you. A few days ago, you dissed me first, unprovoked.
Now you've dissed me again.


There's quite a history of nasty, arrogant supporters of Mr Laverack on this site, you're just latest in a long line.
What a PR department you all make!
[quote]tonyfromitaly wrote: The story mentions Poverty and as JRT are hand in glove with CYC then the story goes back to the fact that TSL...[/quote] We're only two steps away from Kevin Bacon here. [quote]the story goes back to the fact that TSL cannot give a straight answer to a straight question. [/quote] Only in your mind. Everyone else is discussing the topics in the article. They don't have the same agenda as you. [quote]Obviously you don't have anything better to do than take a swipe at anyone you don't like or don't like what they have to say about you. You really are a sad individual.[/quote] That's a lot more of a swipe than my objective and factual observation. You diss me, I'll come back at you. A few days ago, you dissed me first, unprovoked. Now you've dissed me again. There's quite a history of nasty, arrogant supporters of Mr Laverack on this site, you're just latest in a long line. What a PR department you all make! Buzzz Light-year

10:46pm Fri 7 Feb 14

tonyfromitaly says...

I note you have not emerged to make any comments on the grain site debacle that is costing you and me and the rest of us a lot of money through our council tax. Well no you wouldn't would you because you have no room to manoeuvre have you ? Im sure you will find an angle to twist and turn things to suit yourself and offer the findings as a victory to you and your cohorts, but you cannot twist and turn the fact that common sense has prevailed by the judgement of high authority with far more knowledge of the subject than you have. So amuse us some more Buzz ? Give us your take on this.
I note you have not emerged to make any comments on the grain site debacle that is costing you and me and the rest of us a lot of money through our council tax. Well no you wouldn't would you because you have no room to manoeuvre have you ? Im sure you will find an angle to twist and turn things to suit yourself and offer the findings as a victory to you and your cohorts, but you cannot twist and turn the fact that common sense has prevailed by the judgement of high authority with far more knowledge of the subject than you have. So amuse us some more Buzz ? Give us your take on this. tonyfromitaly

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