Spotlight falls on fracking

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ANTI-FRACKING campaigners are to hold a public meeting about the possibility of controversial gas extraction techniques being used in the York area.

The event, organised by Frack-Free York, will be attended by a representative from Dart Energy, which holds exploration licences for west York, as a petition calling for City of York Council to oppose any extraction of fossil fuels from the area comes to an end.

The petition has been signed by more than 420 people and wants the authority to prioritise renewable energy in its forthcoming Local Plan.

Friends of the Earth will also attend the free meeting at the Priory Street Centre on February 17, between 7pm and 9.30pm.

Frack-Free York spokeswoman Helen Whitehead said: “We are very pleased Dart Energy will be attending as they are in the best position to listen to our worries about what might happen in our area, and to explain how they would operate if they decide to apply for permission to drill.”

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8:35am Fri 7 Feb 14

Zetkin says...

Why on earth are Frack-Free York giving Dart Energy a free platform?

I'd have thought such a meeting should be mobilising opposition to the profiteers who want to despoile our environment.

These companies already have the government, many councils and much of the media on their side without environmentalists rushing to their aid as well.

Does Ms Whitehead seriously think Dart Energy will "listen"?
Why on earth are Frack-Free York giving Dart Energy a free platform? I'd have thought such a meeting should be mobilising opposition to the profiteers who want to despoile our environment. These companies already have the government, many councils and much of the media on their side without environmentalists rushing to their aid as well. Does Ms Whitehead seriously think Dart Energy will "listen"? Zetkin

9:17am Fri 7 Feb 14

Micklegate says...

Zetkin wrote:
Why on earth are Frack-Free York giving Dart Energy a free platform?

I'd have thought such a meeting should be mobilising opposition to the profiteers who want to despoile our environment.

These companies already have the government, many councils and much of the media on their side without environmentalists rushing to their aid as well.

Does Ms Whitehead seriously think Dart Energy will "listen"?
Perhaps because some people believe talking with the 'other side' and making debate and discussion visible can be a good thing? Unlike the people on the left who have more organisation names than they have members and just protest and shout at everything rather than actually seek to change or sensibly discuss anything.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Why on earth are Frack-Free York giving Dart Energy a free platform? I'd have thought such a meeting should be mobilising opposition to the profiteers who want to despoile our environment. These companies already have the government, many councils and much of the media on their side without environmentalists rushing to their aid as well. Does Ms Whitehead seriously think Dart Energy will "listen"?[/p][/quote]Perhaps because some people believe talking with the 'other side' and making debate and discussion visible can be a good thing? Unlike the people on the left who have more organisation names than they have members and just protest and shout at everything rather than actually seek to change or sensibly discuss anything. Micklegate

10:29am Fri 7 Feb 14

John Cossham says...

Micklegate wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
Why on earth are Frack-Free York giving Dart Energy a free platform?

I'd have thought such a meeting should be mobilising opposition to the profiteers who want to despoile our environment.

These companies already have the government, many councils and much of the media on their side without environmentalists rushing to their aid as well.

Does Ms Whitehead seriously think Dart Energy will "listen"?
Perhaps because some people believe talking with the 'other side' and making debate and discussion visible can be a good thing? Unlike the people on the left who have more organisation names than they have members and just protest and shout at everything rather than actually seek to change or sensibly discuss anything.
Thank you 'Micklegate'. You have understood what we want to do.

How do you expect anyone to make an informed decision if they don't hear both sides?

If the meeting was *just* the anti-fracking perspective, would we get anyone who hadn't made their mind up coming? Or even people who support the idea? No. This meeting is about hearing both perspectives and having a civilised discussion.

However, 'Micklegate', Frack-Free York Our Clean Energy Future does see itself as 'on the left' as we broadly support fairness and equality, for people now and generations to come. We do not support 'get-rich-quick' schemes which benefit the few and destroy the environment. Some of us are science literate and believe in getting all the evidence 'on the table' so people can make up their own minds, and this does not mean we are not left-wing greenies!
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Why on earth are Frack-Free York giving Dart Energy a free platform? I'd have thought such a meeting should be mobilising opposition to the profiteers who want to despoile our environment. These companies already have the government, many councils and much of the media on their side without environmentalists rushing to their aid as well. Does Ms Whitehead seriously think Dart Energy will "listen"?[/p][/quote]Perhaps because some people believe talking with the 'other side' and making debate and discussion visible can be a good thing? Unlike the people on the left who have more organisation names than they have members and just protest and shout at everything rather than actually seek to change or sensibly discuss anything.[/p][/quote]Thank you 'Micklegate'. You have understood what we want to do. How do you expect anyone to make an informed decision if they don't hear both sides? If the meeting was *just* the anti-fracking perspective, would we get anyone who hadn't made their mind up coming? Or even people who support the idea? No. This meeting is about hearing both perspectives and having a civilised discussion. However, 'Micklegate', Frack-Free York Our Clean Energy Future does see itself as 'on the left' as we broadly support fairness and equality, for people now and generations to come. We do not support 'get-rich-quick' schemes which benefit the few and destroy the environment. Some of us are science literate and believe in getting all the evidence 'on the table' so people can make up their own minds, and this does not mean we are not left-wing greenies! John Cossham

11:22am Fri 7 Feb 14

joewatt says...

Very confusing - is the opposition to hydraulic extraction because someone will make a profit? Let's ignore the fact that the energy extracted will be used by everyone, will reduce everyone's energy bills and will reduce our dependency on imported energy.
Finally, how is our environment protected when the solution is to park wind turbines, PV panels and AD plants on precious Green Belt.
Very confusing - is the opposition to hydraulic extraction because someone will make a profit? Let's ignore the fact that the energy extracted will be used by everyone, will reduce everyone's energy bills and will reduce our dependency on imported energy. Finally, how is our environment protected when the solution is to park wind turbines, PV panels and AD plants on precious Green Belt. joewatt

11:57am Fri 7 Feb 14

John Cossham says...

joewatt wrote:
Very confusing - is the opposition to hydraulic extraction because someone will make a profit? Let's ignore the fact that the energy extracted will be used by everyone, will reduce everyone's energy bills and will reduce our dependency on imported energy.
Finally, how is our environment protected when the solution is to park wind turbines, PV panels and AD plants on precious Green Belt.
Don't be confused Joe. Yes there's opposition to activities which make a few people very rich *at the expense of our shared environment* which includes people not yet born, who, I believe, have just the same human rights as you do, and I do, and our next door neighbours.

The energy bills won't come down, even the energy companies agree that. The gas extracted won't replace all our foreign imports, we are SO energy hungry here that the amounts they predict will only cover some of our needs, sorry, addiction.

And as for the *look* of things that generate our power, go and spend a day walking near Drax, or along the Trent valley, and you'll see that *ALL* generation has some visual impact... as will the gas-fired power stations (which may not be in your back yard) and gas-drilling rigs and pads.

At least when we don't need wind turbines and solar panels they can be taken down. How do you propose to suck all that fossil carbon back into the ground? Get inventing, quick!

I am being cheeky; I know you won't invent a CO2 remover, although I'm sure you wouldn't be against planting a few. So come along to our meeting and ask difficult a question there.
[quote][p][bold]joewatt[/bold] wrote: Very confusing - is the opposition to hydraulic extraction because someone will make a profit? Let's ignore the fact that the energy extracted will be used by everyone, will reduce everyone's energy bills and will reduce our dependency on imported energy. Finally, how is our environment protected when the solution is to park wind turbines, PV panels and AD plants on precious Green Belt.[/p][/quote]Don't be confused Joe. Yes there's opposition to activities which make a few people very rich *at the expense of our shared environment* which includes people not yet born, who, I believe, have just the same human rights as you do, and I do, and our next door neighbours. The energy bills won't come down, even the energy companies agree that. The gas extracted won't replace all our foreign imports, we are SO energy hungry here that the amounts they predict will only cover some of our needs, sorry, addiction. And as for the *look* of things that generate our power, go and spend a day walking near Drax, or along the Trent valley, and you'll see that *ALL* generation has some visual impact... as will the gas-fired power stations (which may not be in your back yard) and gas-drilling rigs and pads. At least when we don't need wind turbines and solar panels they can be taken down. How do you propose to suck all that fossil carbon back into the ground? Get inventing, quick! I am being cheeky; I know you won't invent a CO2 remover, although I'm sure you wouldn't be against planting a few. So come along to our meeting and ask difficult a question there. John Cossham

4:28pm Fri 7 Feb 14

petethefeet says...

We've had environment desecration for centuries, it was called 'mining' and nobody it seemed wanted to see the mines shut. By comparison, fracking will be much more environmentally friendly! However, it's still fossil fuel and the atmospheric CO2 level has passed 400 ppm. Sea-levels have risen 8 inches over the last 100 years and are now rising quicker than ever. Worst-case models predict a further 38" over the next century. Bye-bye Somerset levels. The fracking debate is a side-show, we need a proper alternative to fossil fuel and it isn't wind/tides or solar (10% of needs if we are lucky).
We've had environment desecration for centuries, it was called 'mining' and nobody it seemed wanted to see the mines shut. By comparison, fracking will be much more environmentally friendly! However, it's still fossil fuel and the atmospheric CO2 level has passed 400 ppm. Sea-levels have risen 8 inches over the last 100 years and are now rising quicker than ever. Worst-case models predict a further 38" over the next century. Bye-bye Somerset levels. The fracking debate is a side-show, we need a proper alternative to fossil fuel and it isn't wind/tides or solar (10% of needs if we are lucky). petethefeet

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