City of York Council may buy Stonebow House

York Press: Stonebow House in York Stonebow House in York

A YORK office block widely viewed as an eyesore could be bought by council chiefs and redeveloped.

City of York Council is looking to buy the remaining freehold of Stonebow House under regeneration plans due to be announced today.

If the purchase goes ahead, the council could look at redeveloping all or part of the site, and leader Coun James Alexander says all options are being considered.

Stonebow House was built 50 years ago next year but is unpopular and seen by many as a blot on York’s skyline.

The council is also likely to confirm today that the former Reynard’s Garage building in Piccadilly will become a hotel. A shortlist of four bidders for the council-owned site has been compiled, and all four include a hotel in their proposals.

A preferred bidder will be confirmed once all offers are evaluated further in January. It means plans by property firm Northminster Ltd and the Yorkshire Air Museum to turn the site into housing and a tourist attraction celebrating its use as the home of 1930s aircraft manufacturer Airspeed Ltd appear to have been scuppered.

A report to go before the council cabinet on January 7 also recommends selling three other council-owned sites: the former Manor School, land next to the A59 and Outer Ring Road roundabout, and the old Clementhorpe Maltings on Lower Darnborough Street.

It said the proceeds will allow the council to move its own projects forward, with the Manor School sale helping the progression of the 1,000-home British Sugar development. The council is also looking to buy a section of land next to Yearsley Swimming Pool.

City leaders will be asked to delegate the approval of a preferred bidder for the Reynard's site to Coun Dafydd Williams, the council's cabinet member for finance, performance and customer services, and to Ian Floyd, director of customer and business support services. The nine bids received were scored according to various criteria.

Coun Alexander said: "There is a long list of previously blocked brownfield developments now seeing progress, including the White Swan Hotel, Hungate, York Central, Castle Piccadilly, Terry’s and the Bonding Warehouse.

"We’re now down to four final bidders for the old Reynard’s Garage site, all of which are proposing a hotel with additional facilities. These sites will deliver much-needed homes and employment for York and the fact we can move forward with them shows a renewed confidence in the city’s economy.”

A review of the council’s property portfolio was agreed in November 2012. Coun Williams said the council needed to progress opportunities where it could significantly increase the value of its properties by acquiring surrounding land, particularly where it tied in with key council priorities.

The cabinet report said the nine bids made for the Reynard's site included a range of uses. It said amounts offered "vastly" differed, but all four shortlisted bids offered "a substantial capital receipt".

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5:19am Fri 27 Dec 13

powerwatt says...

They could of course use the money to pay off the £200 million debt that has been racked up.

But no, lets keep on spending.
They could of course use the money to pay off the £200 million debt that has been racked up. But no, lets keep on spending. powerwatt

7:14am Fri 27 Dec 13

pedalling paul says...

Is Stonebow House a listed building? If so then that will surely limit the scope for change.
Is Stonebow House a listed building? If so then that will surely limit the scope for change. pedalling paul

8:25am Fri 27 Dec 13

oldgoat says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Is Stonebow House a listed building? If so then that will surely limit the scope for change.
A day or two with a wrecking ball, and all will be better...
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Is Stonebow House a listed building? If so then that will surely limit the scope for change.[/p][/quote]A day or two with a wrecking ball, and all will be better... oldgoat

8:27am Fri 27 Dec 13

bloodaxe says...

There is a god after all...possibly.
There is a god after all...possibly. bloodaxe

8:35am Fri 27 Dec 13

Alf Garnett says...

bloodaxe wrote:
There is a god after all...possibly.
...and one would hope with a large lightning bolt poised above Stonebow House.
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: There is a god after all...possibly.[/p][/quote]...and one would hope with a large lightning bolt poised above Stonebow House. Alf Garnett

8:41am Fri 27 Dec 13

roskoboskovic says...

just a thought,where is the money coming from.also,i walked past the old bus depot the other day and yes it looks rough but the opposite side of the street is even worse.
just a thought,where is the money coming from.also,i walked past the old bus depot the other day and yes it looks rough but the opposite side of the street is even worse. roskoboskovic

9:19am Fri 27 Dec 13

smudge2 says...

Do this new hotel proposal really encourage the owners of the illegal car park down Walmgate to start building there hotel as promised on numerous occasions.??
Do this new hotel proposal really encourage the owners of the illegal car park down Walmgate to start building there hotel as promised on numerous occasions.?? smudge2

9:27am Fri 27 Dec 13

anistasia says...

What about having a bus station/terminus a route for all buses to go through.some where safe and warm.the size of York and no bus depot.this would bring in more trade people would come shopping by bus.never mind more hotels get some money spent on the buses.
What about having a bus station/terminus a route for all buses to go through.some where safe and warm.the size of York and no bus depot.this would bring in more trade people would come shopping by bus.never mind more hotels get some money spent on the buses. anistasia

9:33am Fri 27 Dec 13

imassey says...

Whatever happens, I hope Fibbers and The Duchess aren't forcibly closed.
Whatever happens, I hope Fibbers and The Duchess aren't forcibly closed. imassey

10:04am Fri 27 Dec 13

osbaldwicklane says...

bloodaxe wrote:
There is a god after all...possibly.
And here,s me thinking Jimmy must have left town .
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: There is a god after all...possibly.[/p][/quote]And here,s me thinking Jimmy must have left town . osbaldwicklane

10:09am Fri 27 Dec 13

sniper 9964 says...

As above. But there are other businesses there that will be effected. With job losses to consider !!!!
As above. But there are other businesses there that will be effected. With job losses to consider !!!! sniper 9964

10:14am Fri 27 Dec 13

imassey says...

sniper 9964 wrote:
As above. But there are other businesses there that will be effected. With job losses to consider !!!!
Yes, apologies, I didn't mean to denigrate the other businesses. However, it is far easier to relocate shops/cafes/bookmake
rs (without getting into the economics of doing so - forced relocations sometimes come with financial "sweeteners") than it is to relocate live music venues.
[quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: As above. But there are other businesses there that will be effected. With job losses to consider !!!![/p][/quote]Yes, apologies, I didn't mean to denigrate the other businesses. However, it is far easier to relocate shops/cafes/bookmake rs (without getting into the economics of doing so - forced relocations sometimes come with financial "sweeteners") than it is to relocate live music venues. imassey

10:22am Fri 27 Dec 13

Blythespirit says...

Demolishing Stonebow House and the equally ugly Hilary House round the corner would enormously benefit the aesthetics of the area. However the businesses there need to be offered suitable alternative accommodation. Stonebow house has never been a success - even when I was a child in the 70s half the units were empty.
Demolishing Stonebow House and the equally ugly Hilary House round the corner would enormously benefit the aesthetics of the area. However the businesses there need to be offered suitable alternative accommodation. Stonebow house has never been a success - even when I was a child in the 70s half the units were empty. Blythespirit

10:35am Fri 27 Dec 13

nearlyman says...

Don't worry, Hiscox are building a new monster just down the road ..............
Don't worry, Hiscox are building a new monster just down the road .............. nearlyman

10:46am Fri 27 Dec 13

SteveSCA says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Is Stonebow House a listed building? If so then that will surely limit the scope for change.
Once again this myth is repeated.

http://yorkstories.c
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[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Is Stonebow House a listed building? If so then that will surely limit the scope for change.[/p][/quote]Once again this myth is repeated. http://yorkstories.c o.uk/the-stonebow-is -a-listed-building-m yth/ SteveSCA

11:08am Fri 27 Dec 13

Pedro says...

If the building is sound they could do a gut-and-strip. That is taking off the facade and replacing it with modern material and adding fibre optics for the digital age. What they have done to old 60's buildings in Sheffield. The location is actually quite good and would attract good rents if the building was modern looking.
If the building is sound they could do a gut-and-strip. That is taking off the facade and replacing it with modern material and adding fibre optics for the digital age. What they have done to old 60's buildings in Sheffield. The location is actually quite good and would attract good rents if the building was modern looking. Pedro

11:13am Fri 27 Dec 13

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Best thing would be to make use of the eyesore as stables for former tethered horses impounded by the horse bailiff. Use of the offices by council staff is the other alternative, but would produce more horsesh*t than the stables.
Best thing would be to make use of the eyesore as stables for former tethered horses impounded by the horse bailiff. Use of the offices by council staff is the other alternative, but would produce more horsesh*t than the stables. Garrowby Turnoff

11:28am Fri 27 Dec 13

Pinza-C55 says...

If they did this, I would forgive them all their sins. It would be like the Berlin Wall coming down.
If they did this, I would forgive them all their sins. It would be like the Berlin Wall coming down. Pinza-C55

11:30am Fri 27 Dec 13

Zetkin says...

Fibbers and the Duchess would be huge losses to the city's vibrant live music scene if the building were simply demolished, and I would expect to see vocal campaigns to save them both.

Nor should the other businesses be forgotten; the cafe seems to have thrived in various guises over the decades, the bookies seems as popular as ever, and the Heron foodshop is a lifeline to many people for whom the other city centre shops such as M&S and the Sainsbury/Tesco/Morr
isons mega-off-licences are too pricey.
Fibbers and the Duchess would be huge losses to the city's vibrant live music scene if the building were simply demolished, and I would expect to see vocal campaigns to save them both. Nor should the other businesses be forgotten; the cafe seems to have thrived in various guises over the decades, the bookies seems as popular as ever, and the Heron foodshop is a lifeline to many people for whom the other city centre shops such as M&S and the Sainsbury/Tesco/Morr isons mega-off-licences are too pricey. Zetkin

11:33am Fri 27 Dec 13

Zetkin says...

Did I say "the city's vibrant live music scene"?

I should have said "York's cultural offer" so that the officers of the various tourist authorities & chambers of commerce would understand what I meant.
Did I say "the city's vibrant live music scene"? I should have said "York's cultural offer" so that the officers of the various tourist authorities & chambers of commerce would understand what I meant. Zetkin

11:49am Fri 27 Dec 13

Mulgrave says...

Zetkin wrote:
Did I say "the city's vibrant live music scene"?

I should have said "York's cultural offer" so that the officers of the various tourist authorities & chambers of commerce would understand what I meant.
....and a "public realm" or two for the councillors, although I haven't heard this used in the last month or two, perhaps someone has realised the definition of realm - a kingdom ruled over by a sovereign - is a little bit too close to home.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Did I say "the city's vibrant live music scene"? I should have said "York's cultural offer" so that the officers of the various tourist authorities & chambers of commerce would understand what I meant.[/p][/quote]....and a "public realm" or two for the councillors, although I haven't heard this used in the last month or two, perhaps someone has realised the definition of realm - a kingdom ruled over by a sovereign - is a little bit too close to home. Mulgrave

12:41pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Dave Ruddock says...

build more and more hotels, if not more hotels and it seems the council like hotels. next will be the Bar Walls and all the Bars. thats the Barbican variety. as it seems we live in the City of Hotels
build more and more hotels, if not more hotels and it seems the council like hotels. next will be the Bar Walls and all the Bars. thats the Barbican variety. as it seems we live in the City of Hotels Dave Ruddock

1:32pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Art Baker says...

How about Fibbers commissioning a Miley Cyrus live performance until the whole place is levelled.
How about Fibbers commissioning a Miley Cyrus live performance until the whole place is levelled. Art Baker

2:00pm Fri 27 Dec 13

PKH says...

Whilst the building is not particularly pleasing on the eye, it is one of the best buildings of planning and architecture of it's period with parking, offices and shops built in one complex, I also think that the car park is a thorn in the current labour administrations side being inside their vehicle restricted area, for these reasons I would like to see the complex refurbished and retained.
Whilst the building is not particularly pleasing on the eye, it is one of the best buildings of planning and architecture of it's period with parking, offices and shops built in one complex, I also think that the car park is a thorn in the current labour administrations side being inside their vehicle restricted area, for these reasons I would like to see the complex refurbished and retained. PKH

4:30pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Mullarkian says...

There is nothing wrong with the building, it is in a lot better condition than many so-called buildings of historic interest.
There is nothing wrong with the building, it is in a lot better condition than many so-called buildings of historic interest. Mullarkian

4:58pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Pinza-C55 says...

Zetkin wrote:
Fibbers and the Duchess would be huge losses to the city's vibrant live music scene if the building were simply demolished, and I would expect to see vocal campaigns to save them both.

Nor should the other businesses be forgotten; the cafe seems to have thrived in various guises over the decades, the bookies seems as popular as ever, and the Heron foodshop is a lifeline to many people for whom the other city centre shops such as M&S and the Sainsbury/Tesco/Morr

isons mega-off-licences are too pricey.
That's all true but York is not short of empty shops and if the council were to redevelop it then it must be possible to design a building which accommodated the existing businesses whilst not looking as brutal?
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Fibbers and the Duchess would be huge losses to the city's vibrant live music scene if the building were simply demolished, and I would expect to see vocal campaigns to save them both. Nor should the other businesses be forgotten; the cafe seems to have thrived in various guises over the decades, the bookies seems as popular as ever, and the Heron foodshop is a lifeline to many people for whom the other city centre shops such as M&S and the Sainsbury/Tesco/Morr isons mega-off-licences are too pricey.[/p][/quote]That's all true but York is not short of empty shops and if the council were to redevelop it then it must be possible to design a building which accommodated the existing businesses whilst not looking as brutal? Pinza-C55

5:29pm Fri 27 Dec 13

eeoodares says...

Why not let the developers finish what they are doing before the Council start buying and developing themselves.
I remember a swimming pool and bowling green being destroyed for a 'development' the only development is that there is one place less to swim and one less place to bowl.
Why not let the developers finish what they are doing before the Council start buying and developing themselves. I remember a swimming pool and bowling green being destroyed for a 'development' the only development is that there is one place less to swim and one less place to bowl. eeoodares

6:51pm Fri 27 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Nobody mentioned the Job Centre lost if the site were demolished!

Where is Jimmy going to go to find a new job after the election? With a bit of luck in another town. (He's put this one -yes I know it's a City - in the top 5 cr*p list.
And just where would they relocate the Duchess and Fibbers?

Finally, if CoYC are going to spend, instead of paying off debt then how about spending on essential services like treating icy roads and emptying our green bins etc?
Nobody mentioned the Job Centre lost if the site were demolished! Where is Jimmy going to go to find a new job after the election? With a bit of luck in another town. (He's put this one -yes I know it's a City - in the top 5 cr*p list. And just where would they relocate the Duchess and Fibbers? Finally, if CoYC are going to spend, instead of paying off debt then how about spending on essential services like treating icy roads and emptying our green bins etc? ColdAsChristmas

8:49pm Fri 27 Dec 13

CaroleBaines says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Nobody mentioned the Job Centre lost if the site were demolished!

Where is Jimmy going to go to find a new job after the election? With a bit of luck in another town. (He's put this one -yes I know it's a City - in the top 5 cr*p list.
And just where would they relocate the Duchess and Fibbers?

Finally, if CoYC are going to spend, instead of paying off debt then how about spending on essential services like treating icy roads and emptying our green bins etc?
Hmmm - Cliché-man rides again - try to have a thought of your own!
Meanwhile, back on topic, this is a horrible building, demolition would surely be good?
As for cost - I guess CoYC have bought property and land, so is there an issue re cost? Surely just a different method of holding capital.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Nobody mentioned the Job Centre lost if the site were demolished! Where is Jimmy going to go to find a new job after the election? With a bit of luck in another town. (He's put this one -yes I know it's a City - in the top 5 cr*p list. And just where would they relocate the Duchess and Fibbers? Finally, if CoYC are going to spend, instead of paying off debt then how about spending on essential services like treating icy roads and emptying our green bins etc?[/p][/quote]Hmmm - Cliché-man rides again - try to have a thought of your own! Meanwhile, back on topic, this is a horrible building, demolition would surely be good? As for cost - I guess CoYC have bought property and land, so is there an issue re cost? Surely just a different method of holding capital. CaroleBaines

10:51pm Fri 27 Dec 13

ouseswimmer says...

Hopefully the wrecking ball will be used here and sharpish. This area is just a cesspit in York yet so close to the Shambles. Hope somtheing attractive can finally be built here.
Hopefully the wrecking ball will be used here and sharpish. This area is just a cesspit in York yet so close to the Shambles. Hope somtheing attractive can finally be built here. ouseswimmer

1:46am Sat 28 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
just a thought,where is the money coming from.also,i walked past the old bus depot the other day and yes it looks rough but the opposite side of the street is even worse.
Indeed it is, but the opposite side (the banana warehouse) is going to keep that frontage when the rest of the building is redeveloped - and there was me hoping Piccadilly might actually get a facelift!
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: just a thought,where is the money coming from.also,i walked past the old bus depot the other day and yes it looks rough but the opposite side of the street is even worse.[/p][/quote]Indeed it is, but the opposite side (the banana warehouse) is going to keep that frontage when the rest of the building is redeveloped - and there was me hoping Piccadilly might actually get a facelift! Magicman!

2:06am Sat 28 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

Pedro wrote:
If the building is sound they could do a gut-and-strip. That is taking off the facade and replacing it with modern material and adding fibre optics for the digital age. What they have done to old 60's buildings in Sheffield. The location is actually quite good and would attract good rents if the building was modern looking.
Agreed.... design is a funny thing - because although "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", you tend to find that designs either end of the "universal appear" design spectrum tend to get the most appreciation... genuinely old quirky buildings such as those down Shambles attract the general tourist crowd looking for that olde-worlde charm, whilst Brutalist buildings such as Stonebow House attract desgin students, budding architects and the like to study its jaunty angles and quirky look to simulate modular construction. But in the middle of the scale there is generally no real appeal - buildings such as the row of shops on Spurriergate, the hotel and Budgens on Micklegate corner (which replaced the old co-op Victoria House), the building with car park on George Hudson Street which replaced an old supermarket and now contains a chinese supermarket (or something like that), the government offices of Kings Pool, the existing developments on the Hungate site... all those are built to a design so as not to be controversial, but in being designed that way they are something worse: they are boring. Stonebow House's looks may not be universally accepted as being aesthetically pleasing, but this article about it has already generated 32 comments about it - making it a point of interest by definition.

The building would be given a new lease of life if a decent facelift was given it - good external lighting, new double glazed windows and full air-conditioning, decent heating, a bigger capacity lift, more natural light being let into the central shaft which contains both stairways and the lift, a coloured wash/whitewash to the outside or reclad in new material, and a rearrangement of the buisnesses:- ie the music venues would stay, as would Heron Foods and the café - but as the bookies is part of a chain that could go, the jobcentre certainly could be moved elsewhere (along with its chavs), and the offices beyond could be moved too - this would then create a vast expanse which could either house at least a dozen independant traders or even an INDOOR MARKET, all of which are wheelchair-accessibl
e right from the bus stops and has a covered walkway. Let's not forget the building also provides much-needed parking spaces in the heart of the city (though a few more lamp posts could be put in to throw more light at the far end of the car park).

Demolishing it would be the easy cop-out option, and would most likely lead to some generic modern boring building going up in its place - most likely a hotel with a Tesco Metro on the ground floor... but redevelopment of the existing building requires more inspiration, but retains the useful functions that it provides.
[quote][p][bold]Pedro[/bold] wrote: If the building is sound they could do a gut-and-strip. That is taking off the facade and replacing it with modern material and adding fibre optics for the digital age. What they have done to old 60's buildings in Sheffield. The location is actually quite good and would attract good rents if the building was modern looking.[/p][/quote]Agreed.... design is a funny thing - because although "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", you tend to find that designs either end of the "universal appear" design spectrum tend to get the most appreciation... genuinely old quirky buildings such as those down Shambles attract the general tourist crowd looking for that olde-worlde charm, whilst Brutalist buildings such as Stonebow House attract desgin students, budding architects and the like to study its jaunty angles and quirky look to simulate modular construction. But in the middle of the scale there is generally no real appeal - buildings such as the row of shops on Spurriergate, the hotel and Budgens on Micklegate corner (which replaced the old co-op Victoria House), the building with car park on George Hudson Street which replaced an old supermarket and now contains a chinese supermarket (or something like that), the government offices of Kings Pool, the existing developments on the Hungate site... all those are built to a design so as not to be controversial, but in being designed that way they are something worse: they are boring. Stonebow House's looks may not be universally accepted as being aesthetically pleasing, but this article about it has already generated 32 comments about it - making it a point of interest by definition. The building would be given a new lease of life if a decent facelift was given it - good external lighting, new double glazed windows and full air-conditioning, decent heating, a bigger capacity lift, more natural light being let into the central shaft which contains both stairways and the lift, a coloured wash/whitewash to the outside or reclad in new material, and a rearrangement of the buisnesses:- ie the music venues would stay, as would Heron Foods and the café - but as the bookies is part of a chain that could go, the jobcentre certainly could be moved elsewhere (along with its chavs), and the offices beyond could be moved too - this would then create a vast expanse which could either house at least a dozen independant traders or even an INDOOR MARKET, all of which are wheelchair-accessibl e right from the bus stops and has a covered walkway. Let's not forget the building also provides much-needed parking spaces in the heart of the city (though a few more lamp posts could be put in to throw more light at the far end of the car park). Demolishing it would be the easy cop-out option, and would most likely lead to some generic modern boring building going up in its place - most likely a hotel with a Tesco Metro on the ground floor... but redevelopment of the existing building requires more inspiration, but retains the useful functions that it provides. Magicman!

2:07am Sat 28 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

** - 3rd line, replace "universal appear" with "universal appeal"
** - 3rd line, replace "universal appear" with "universal appeal" Magicman!

2:22am Sat 28 Dec 13

sniper 9964 says...

The council could buy it for XXX demolish it then sell the land for XXXXX all because they can and get away with it corrupt buffoons
The council could buy it for XXX demolish it then sell the land for XXXXX all because they can and get away with it corrupt buffoons sniper 9964

2:10pm Sat 28 Dec 13

blottie says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
Hopefully the wrecking ball will be used here and sharpish. This area is just a cesspit in York yet so close to the Shambles. Hope somtheing attractive can finally be built here.
Yes,I agree this has been an eyesore since I came to York decades ago.Pull it down and do York proud
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: Hopefully the wrecking ball will be used here and sharpish. This area is just a cesspit in York yet so close to the Shambles. Hope somtheing attractive can finally be built here.[/p][/quote]Yes,I agree this has been an eyesore since I came to York decades ago.Pull it down and do York proud blottie

12:41pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

If they're going to do something about ugly buildings in the centre of York, forget Stonebow House and take down the telephone exchange opposite. Now that IS an ugly building...
If they're going to do something about ugly buildings in the centre of York, forget Stonebow House and take down the telephone exchange opposite. Now that IS an ugly building... Ignatius Lumpopo

2:32pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dave Taylor says...

The greater crime is the demolition of Reynard's garage for another unwanted hotel, when a better, and very popular, proposal for a museum to the Airspeed Factory is on the table, which also promised some 'much needed' housing.
The greater crime is the demolition of Reynard's garage for another unwanted hotel, when a better, and very popular, proposal for a museum to the Airspeed Factory is on the table, which also promised some 'much needed' housing. Dave Taylor

7:52pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Thunderblade says...

I remember as a child, watching the construction of this site. I was amazed at the size of the hole in the ground from which it sprung up and that dear readers is what I suspect we will be stuck with if it is demolished.
The snails pace at which re-development takes place in York would probably mean I would not see a new building there again in my lifetime. Unless the Council designate the area for cycle racks!
I remember as a child, watching the construction of this site. I was amazed at the size of the hole in the ground from which it sprung up and that dear readers is what I suspect we will be stuck with if it is demolished. The snails pace at which re-development takes place in York would probably mean I would not see a new building there again in my lifetime. Unless the Council designate the area for cycle racks! Thunderblade

1:20am Tue 31 Dec 13

Oncebittentwiceshy says...

Such an ugly old building I hppe it can be made to look pretty and put to good use here in belfast we had a way of dealing with ugly old building's however this is no longer acceptable.
Such an ugly old building I hppe it can be made to look pretty and put to good use here in belfast we had a way of dealing with ugly old building's however this is no longer acceptable. Oncebittentwiceshy

3:29pm Tue 31 Dec 13

hips3030 says...

It is painfully short sighted to consider demolishing such a characterful building. A wonderful, brutalist, monolithic stronghold, unapologetic about its conspicuous presence in a historic city. If we lose it, we've lost a lot more than a building.
It is painfully short sighted to consider demolishing such a characterful building. A wonderful, brutalist, monolithic stronghold, unapologetic about its conspicuous presence in a historic city. If we lose it, we've lost a lot more than a building. hips3030

9:04pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Pinza-C55 says...

hips3030 wrote:
It is painfully short sighted to consider demolishing such a characterful building. A wonderful, brutalist, monolithic stronghold, unapologetic about its conspicuous presence in a historic city. If we lose it, we've lost a lot more than a building.
Very funny 8-)
[quote][p][bold]hips3030[/bold] wrote: It is painfully short sighted to consider demolishing such a characterful building. A wonderful, brutalist, monolithic stronghold, unapologetic about its conspicuous presence in a historic city. If we lose it, we've lost a lot more than a building.[/p][/quote]Very funny 8-) Pinza-C55

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